lol such a trickster.

That's crazy talk. Obviously the light from distant stars was created in transit to fool heathen astronomers, just like the fossils of prehistoric creatures were implanted on Earth, to fool paleontologists.

Something about the simulation getting its CPU time shaped.

I was homeschooled for most of K-12, and all my peers were crazy fundies. I have so many stories.

my response to this kinda argument is "ok cool. math still the same"

Further confirmation that the Christian god is actually just post-Ragnarok Loki.

Is there even anything in Genesis to suggest that the 'days' were 24h long? I could see it being meant metaphorically...

I feel like all of the quantum stuff would be a good way to save storage space. Superposition is essentially lazy evaluation.

Not if you get creative enough with it...

I collect that kind of stuff for fun + have some exposure to Christian education communities.

Were you doing ACE? Those workbooks should be illegal.

Wanna know a secret... God didn't even write that part. God's version has him at a kmart in Toledo, Iowa buying the entire universe on a Saturday in 1997, at which point he installed it, but it did take several days because it was football season, but it was less than a week no matter what anyone else says.

I love that due to the way religious silliness works that there is no real way to refute this assertion.

I grew up catholic and was sent to catholic school and this is what we were taught. That the creation story is metaphor, the catholic church believes God used the big bang and evolution to create the world and people, ect.

The creative justifications for creationism that try to approach something like science amuse me. Like Kents Hovind and Ham are both too stupid and incurious to be fun; a creationist who’s at least knowledgeable enough to look at “variable c” “”theories”” is entertaining to engage with. That’s part of how I’d justify calling this a “meme” anyway - it’s one of the brighter ones manufacturing a meme to sell to the stupid ones.

There is “old earth creationism” which works along those lines. But creationists are “literalists,” which actually means they believe a specific interpretation of the text taught to them by their pastor.

Really, you’d think that most anyone reading the texts would realize that Genesis 1 and 2 were mutually contradicting…

No no no, fossils come from the great flood, from the Bible. At least, that's what creationists use as an argument in debates....

As for star light: yes, that's right.

I did ACE. The (barely) fat kid was named Pudge. WTF. Looking back on it now, the educational parts were actually pretty good in places but everything else on top of it was pretty bad

God might have allowed literally anything.

Mighta coulda maybe possibly probably done a thing that happened, implausibly

In which case the distances astronomers have measured based on light travel time are insanely larger than thought and the problem of a big universe isn't solved.

God damn they've been vomiting the same bullshit for at least 50 years and it's just as dumb as it was from the get go.

Ah, good to know, thank you

So I grew up around creationists. When I presented this idea, the only attempt at a justification I heard was something like "in the original Hebrew the word for a literal day was used, that's how we know creation happened in literal 6 days"

Which baffled me enough to shut me up, so that guy probably thinks he convinced me.

I mean that or just pre-calculate it and place the light at the same time you place the stars

But precalculating is just waste of resources when you are building a pure procedural universe.

Well duh, if they meant metaphorical day, they should have used the hebrew word for metaphorical days.

/s

This is part of the basis of a lot of simulation theory from what I understand. The way electrons behave under observation is very similar to the way a computer renders a 3d world. It doesn't calculate or draw everything in the entire environment, simply what is under direct observation by the user(s).

I doubt that's really a consideration when you are literally God

Analysis of the light from SN1987A suggests this has not happened. By observing light traversing two paths to reach earth, we can work out how far away the supernova is without relying on a particular value of c, and then work out what c must be out there.

This still makes some assumptions on the speed of light, but it would have to vary in a very specific way to give this same effect.

Eh, this god is lazy. They even had to rest a whole day.

And they had to reset the simulation at least once because of all the bad behaviors.

Well, obviously he isn't a literal god since he made mistakes and retcons and had to rest afterwards.

I am torn about this situation.

On the one hand, if this community is supposed to be about science (the procedure by which we achieve greater understanding of our world), not philosophy or religion, then does this meme fit here?

While on the other, this community is "A place for majestic STEMLORD peacocking", so carry on!🤪

It's obviously a race condition in the simulation software. The stars database is loaded before the c constant.

This will be patched in a future update, however current simulation will need a data wipe for the updated behaviour to show.

Procedural, law based world generation is the trademark of a lazy and experienced god.

Story with that premise:

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/50558/the-great-erectus-and-faun

The conversation around these memes are super therapeutic for those of us raised in fundie households.

if this community is supposed to be about science (the procedure by which we achieve greater understanding of our world), not philosophy

Arguably, you can't have science without philosophy. For example you're distinguishing what's science based on the work of 20th century philosophers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verificationism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_rationalism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability

God has allowed a questionable amount, in fact.

The thing you have to realize about Ken Ham is: he has an Australian accent.

As a pre-teen in the south, that's practically the Crocodile Hunter.

When you're trying to look at science but the delusion won't get out of the way.

That's a more popular justification now, but there's definitely no textual defense of it, they're just reinterpreting around the scientific consensus. How often do you expect a book to define the term "day" before moving on? It was almost certainly written and intended to be treated literally.

Have there ever been any stars or planets, that we see in the night sky, just disappear? I always wondered if that has happened during the last 4,000 years or so of celestial observation. When I was a kid I was told that some stars are so far away that they were dead but the light we are receiving from them is still continuing to arrive as starlight. Have we seen that dead star light wink out? I know the universe is very old and the last 4,000 years was just a blink of an eye, but I'm curious if anyone knows if this has happened.

So it's always been a programmer joke from the "beginning"?"

Or I un-...

Or just a matter of perspective. If "God" was just a programmer who could explain the difference between how long we spent writing code, running the software, and the simulation actual perspective difference.

Ask the Dwarf Fortress.

Or Puscifer.

That's what supernova are.

Other stars like our own will eventually, in about 5 billion years, become a red giant and then a white dwarf, but will take hundreds of billions of years to cool to the point where they no longer emit light, so none of them have had enough time for that to happen yet.

I'm just joking around - part of science is to always continue to ask questions and be skeptical, so this meme definitely is about science 🤣

i think i became a little stupider after reading that

There should be a list somewhere of so-called scientists who, in their personal lives, believe in extraordinary things with zero evidence.

They should not be allowed to call themselves scientists anymore

Which baffled me enough to shut me up, so that guy probably thinks he convinced me.

This seems to happen to me more frequently these days. Sometimes a person will say something so absurd that it just stops me in my tracks and I'm sure they think it means they "won"

Which I guess means carbon dating isn't real. Which I guess means our entire understanding of chemistry is wrong. Only possible explanation.