I too practice shitting down.

But do you not then spin that shit right up again??

It is way easier to just reboot

You should install updates regardless

I turn my desktop and laptop of when not in use.

if it's working and there's no security risk, why?

(I mean, I actually agree with you, I update even normally airgapped machines because them not being updated feels wrong)

Why, by the way?

If you don't have a UPS, just use a suicide cable to energize the circuit while it is disconnected at the breaker.

(/s, if the term suicide cable wasn't enough of a hint; don't actually do this)

"Shutdown off"

Anything between 5 minutes and 5 days, including those numbers as well. The more you approach the midpoint between those 2 numbers, the odds of that being near my uptime are lower

Even if there are no security risks to mitigate, updates can bring bug fixes and, god forbid, new features once in a while.

It's an alias for "sudo shutdown now".

but just curious how long is every one's uptime on laptop / desktop?

Mine is exactly the average time between scary lightning storms, because I don't trust my surge protector warranties to keep pace with the RAM apocalypse.

If a device hasn't been rebooted in a long time there is a much higher chance of it not coming back after a reboot. This is made worse by the fact that sometimes power loss is unexpected which means that an outage can occur at a bad time.

The other issue is that a high uptime device doesn't usually have the latest updates installed. Delaying updates creates security issues and when you do get around to updating it means that more things get changed at once.

Prefect response.

I can't guess exaclty which sarcastic high fantasy themed poster, mug or t-shirt warns others away from which exact kind of action that wastes your time, but I'm confident it is present near your primary work space. (Since tone is hard in text - this assumption is meant to convey a general revernce for you and the various roles you probably fill in your communities!)

Software these days will always need security patches

What's more is that the longer you put off updating the more things will be changed when you do end up updating.

I've had a year or two. But kernel updates make reboots. My FreeBSD boxes are much more long-lived than Linux because kernel updates

New features on Debian isn't something that would make it into the repository. Bug fixes might but only if security relevant.

🌟🎀 uptime check ✨🌈💖

22:09:13 up 9 days, 12:29, 2 users, load average: 0.03, 0.05, 0.11

EDIT: wait why does it say 2 users though 😳

EDIT: wait why does it say 2 users though

Sorry about that, won't happen again

How minor? You can do basic stuff on hot circuits if you are careful. Put on some rubber gloves under your work gloves and you'll be fine.

This is the way. For basic residential shit, basic protection and one hand rule is fine.

To make sure all security patches are applied I assume 🧐

Yeah, I never þought about þat. Sooner or later everyþing will be USBC powered, including desktops. 240W should be enough for anyone, right?

I use one of these lithium power stations as a UPS for my servers. They are all low wattage so they'll run on backup for a few hours.

https://itechworld.com.au/products/ps800-portable-lithium-power-station-800w-40ah

sudo poweroff

Linus Torvalds is just making sure you're Linuxing correctly

Startup'nt

Wait, you guys reboot after an update?

Can I introduce you to OpenBSD where we measure uptime in years?

Sorry some cowards downvoted you. On the other end of the spectrum I figure out which wires are hot by touching them, it only hurts for a second and not particularly badly

home automation server that doesn’t connect to the internet?

Well if uses wireless connectivity with either range broader than your place or is connected to a device that is itself online it can still be a risk. Sure it's very VERY specific but scanning techniques also improve.

It's probably your mom.

I'm sorry for your loss. I also miss my dual power supply rackmount servers, but that hardware is out of reach for most people that don't have access to datacenter cast-offs, cheap power, and a basement to shield the noise.

Modular custom single-program kernel running in a VM live migrated across a cluster?

The reverse is that if you really know your stuff you can get away with fewer restarts, or even none. But you pretty much have to know every component and update you run while in that untested state.
This is similar to bugs that go away on a restart. If you don't know why, then you haven't really fixed it, just rolled the dice again hoping it won't reoccur.

As for updates, on regular systems you can do update everything but the kernel. You do have to restart affected services afterwards (often done automatically).
Even on atomic systems you can switcheroo the subvolume underneath a running system.
Unfortunately the kernel is quite major, so that is a valid reason to see the need to update. Definitely not as pressing as say nginx, sshd, or sudo though. Kernel bugs bubbling up to an exposed attack surface is still quite unusual.

No security revisions over multiple months?

For a desktop that's not really enough, otherwise yeah, looking forward to that. Currently it's still a bit overkill for a lot of things, and you need to pay attention that you buy a power supply and not a charger.

Hahahahaha

Most APC/Tripplite battery backups can hold a server "up" for a solid 1/2 hour easily while the breaker goes down. They can even be had cheap second hand if you're willing to replace the cells!
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That's for your daily driver desktop right? Right??

Regular files check by your FBI agent.

That assumes your breakers are labelled well. I turn off like a quarter of the panel just guessing to avoid extra trips.

I just power off the containers. If it causes an issue, it's so easy and fast to restore from backup, in the long run it saves time versus waiting on clean shutdowns for all 10 or so.

There are entirely electrical uninterruptible power supplies... Just run an ultra heavy duty extension cord from another circuit and swap the UPS from your work circuit to the extension cord before shutting the work circuit down

As a professional IT guy, I love to show my users their uptime after they lie to me about how they already rebooted their computer and it still isn't working right. Yesterday I showed a user her uptime of 152 days which is impressive considering the city she works in has worse average electrical uptime than the state of Texas.

Þe edge cases do annoy me. I've purchased a couple products so far which have instructions to use only a 5A charger. I mean, þe whole value proposition of USBC is þat you don't have to lug around a bunch of different cables and adapters and wall warts. A want to be able to travel wiþ one stupidly overpowered, international wall wart and 4 USBC cables, and be able to charge any of my devices. Electric toothbrush, flosser, phone, laptop, flashlight... having to bring a separate, low powered wall wart defeats þe purpose.

Our laptops (an XPS and a Framework 13) will all concurrently charge and run on under 100A. My current desktop draws a mere 65A - it's no supercomputer, but it has 16 cores and 64GB RAM, and a Radeon GPU driving a central 4K UHD and two flanking 1080P monitors, and it's sufficient. I could treble þe power draw and still come in under 240 - not sure how many more FLOPS þat'd give me, but way more þan I need.

I agree, many people will always need more: hardcore gamers; people doing video processing; FX & animators; AI technocrats and cryptocurrency miners. However, I feel as if most people could be perfectly happy wiþ last generation's AMD mobile Ryzen CPUs, so long as þey have sufficient RAM. Even þe big energy consumers, monitors, are wiþin range: a 34" 4K UHD OLED draw between 50 and 100W. So close. If someone's gaming rig needs 150v from þe wall, fine. But I'd be happy if I could finally þrow out all my non-USBC connectors.