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geneva_convenience
lemmy.ml
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fizzle
quokk.au
fizzle@quokk.au Joined: 2025-11-21 |
Firstly, I absolutely hate that the US gets a free pass on everything and im sick of leaders refusing to blame Trump for this shit show for fear of reprisal. That said, I genuinely feel like piracy is a more apt description of the Somalia's behavior, where it isn't really for the US. Are the Somalis acting on government orders? Is there any question that their behavior is illegal? Is the primary motivation of those boarding the boat their own self enrichment? I would very much like to see Trump held accountable for this shit show but I think this particular angle is pretty thin. |
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geneva_convenience
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geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlJoined: 2024-01-25 |
Firstly, I absolutely hate that the US gets a free pass on everything and im sick of leaders refusing to blame Trump for this shit show for fear of reprisal. That said, I genuinely feel like piracy is a more apt description of the Somalia's behavior, where it isn't really for the US. Are the Somalis acting on government orders? Is there any question that their behavior is illegal? Is the primar...
The US has zero right to hijack any Iranian ship you are simply adding arbitrary conditions to make it seem like there is a difference between the two. |
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unexposedhazard
discuss.tchncs.de
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2023-07-01 |
The US has zero right to hijack any Iranian ship you are simply adding arbitrary conditions to make it seem like there is a difference between the two.
The only valid point they made is the "government orders" thing. If you copied the somali headline it would be "US pirates hijack..." which isnt clear on if it was civilians or the government that did the hijacking. But yes "boards" is much too passive. "US military hijacks" would be a accurate. |
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fizzle
quokk.au
fizzle@quokk.au Joined: 2025-11-21 |
The US has zero right to hijack any Iranian ship you are simply adding arbitrary conditions to make it seem like there is a difference between the two.
This is very obviously an argument of semantics. These countries are at war, even if the US doesn't want to admit that. In a theatre of war combatants "board" ships and "comandeer" them. Nothing stopping you calling it hijacking if thats your thing but its very obviously a heavy handed attempt at emotive language. It identifies you as a pariah rather than changing the perception of the US navy's behavior. |
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okrakai
lemmy.ml
okrakai@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-03-03 |
Firstly, I absolutely hate that the US gets a free pass on everything and im sick of leaders refusing to blame Trump for this shit show for fear of reprisal. That said, I genuinely feel like piracy is a more apt description of the Somalia's behavior, where it isn't really for the US. Are the Somalis acting on government orders? Is there any question that their behavior is illegal? Is the primar...
Yes, the Somalis are working under the government's orders, the government issued a decree preventing Israeli ships from crossing their waters, because they are supporting somali separatists in "somali land" , so its not piracy, its law. |
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geneva_convenience
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geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlJoined: 2024-01-25 |
This is very obviously an argument of semantics. These countries are at war, even if the US doesn't want to admit that. In a theatre of war combatants "board" ships and "comandeer" them. Nothing stopping you calling it hijacking if thats your thing but its very obviously a heavy handed attempt at emotive language. It identifies you as a pariah rather than changing the perception of the US navy'...
Yes that's literally the point of this com
So emotive language is okay when Somalis do it? Or not okay when so called "state" actors do it on the other side of the planet? The act is the same and that's what actually matters. A boat is taken against the will of its crew without any self-defense motive. |
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kablez
lemmy.world
kablez@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-01-02 |
The maritime headline I really want to see is "Billionare superyacht hijacked by eco-terrorists, looted and sunk in frenzied 72 hours livestream on TikTok". |
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sartalon
lemmy.world
sartalon@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-10-15 |
Are the Somalis releasing the vessels and cargo once they are outside the straits, like the U.S. is releasing the vessels they seize? |
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sartalon
lemmy.world
sartalon@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-10-15 |
Yes, the Somalis are working under the government's orders, the government issued a decree preventing Israeli ships from crossing their waters, because they are supporting somali separatists in "somali land" , so its not piracy, its law.
Of the two ships "seized" in April, neither were Israeli and the oil tanker that was "seized", was actually heading to Mogadishu. Why would the Somali government seize a vessel that was headed to them? |
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arrow74
lemmy.zip
arrow74@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-04 Banned |
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Aqarius
lemmy.world
Aqarius@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-14 |
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The circled word isn't "pirate", it's "hijack". Though, it would also work, since I don't see the us being called corsairs either. |
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arrow74
lemmy.zip
arrow74@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-04 Banned |
The circled word isn't "pirate", it's "hijack". Though, it would also work, since I don't see the us being called corsairs either.
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geneva_convenience
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geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlJoined: 2024-01-25 |
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International law isn't real. |
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arrow74
lemmy.zip
arrow74@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-04 Banned |
International law isn't real.
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mathemachristian[he]
lemmy.ml
mathemachristian@lemmy.mlJoined: 2024-04-08 |
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they board it ☝️😃 |
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arrow74
lemmy.zip
arrow74@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-04 Banned |
I'm still struggling to think of what else a pirate does to a vessel other than hijack it. they board it ☝️😃
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mathemachristian[he]
lemmy.ml
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The US didn't hijack those ships, it boarded them |
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arrow74
lemmy.zip
arrow74@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-04 Banned |
The US didn't hijack those ships, it boarded them
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Etterra
discuss.online
Etterra@discuss.online Joined: 2024-12-10 |
I mean if we're gonna be pirates then we should at least lean into it. Eye patches and peg legs available on request. |
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geneva_convenience
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geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlJoined: 2024-01-25 |
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International law is a fairy tale for adults. |
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mathemachristian[he]
lemmy.ml
mathemachristian@lemmy.mlJoined: 2024-04-08 |
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hijack: what definition are you going by? |
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neukenindekeuken
sh.itjust.works
neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2025-04-08 |
The maritime headline I really want to see is "Billionare superyacht hijacked by eco-terrorists, looted and sunk in frenzied 72 hours livestream on TikTok".
I feel like it could all be done in fewer than 72 hours. Maybe we should do a charity event crossover of these with speedrunners. |
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HiddenLayer555
lemmy.ml
HiddenLayer555@lemmy.mlJoined: 2024-09-13 |
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(Directed at the BBC who absolutely does not seem to realise) |
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arrow74
lemmy.zip
arrow74@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-04 Banned |
hijack: to take control of an aircraft or other vehicle during a journey, especially using violence. what definition are you going by?
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arrow74
lemmy.zip
arrow74@lemmy.zip Joined: 2025-06-04 Banned |
International law is a fairy tale for adults.
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mathemachristian[he]
lemmy.ml
mathemachristian@lemmy.mlJoined: 2024-04-08 |
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omfg make your point or don't, like am i supposed to guess at what specific connotations you're talking about and how they relate to the villanous US navy and then make my reply to that?? |
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geneva_convenience
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geneva_convenience@lemmy.mlJoined: 2024-01-25 |
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Ah yes the old I like it so it exists approach. Very intelligent and mature. You’ve proven you are a very big smart man |
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Hanrahan
slrpnk.net
hanrahan@slrpnk.netJoined: 2023-03-14 |
International law is a fairy tale for adults.
as is any kaw, the only difference between the two is the level of violence. All law is conea from the barrel of a gun. Ask Duterte how things are going. |
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okrakai
lemmy.ml
okrakai@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-03-03 |
Of the two ships "seized" in April, neither were Israeli and the oil tanker that was "seized", was actually heading to Mogadishu. Why would the Somali government seize a vessel that was headed to them?
then it went against a different Somali law, look into it more before spreading false claims |
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sartalon
lemmy.world
sartalon@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-10-15 |
then it went against a different Somali law, look into it more before spreading false claims
You're the one that said it! Gaslight much? Oh, I see, this is .ML where facts don't matter and the U.S. is always worse than everyone.
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orc girly
lemmy.ml
orc_princess@lemmy.ml Joined: 2025-09-11 |
You're the one that said it! Gaslight much? Oh, I see, this is .ML where facts don't matter and the U.S. is always worse than everyone.
That's just facts though lol |
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okrakai
lemmy.ml
okrakai@lemmy.ml Joined: 2023-03-03 |
You're the one that said it! Gaslight much? Oh, I see, this is .ML where facts don't matter and the U.S. is always worse than everyone.
I said it, so you look it up You can't expect me to do everything for you, can you? |
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