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geneva_convenience lemmy.ml geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml
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fizzle quokk.au fizzle@quokk.au
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Firstly, I absolutely hate that the US gets a free pass on everything and im sick of leaders refusing to blame Trump for this shit show for fear of reprisal.

That said, I genuinely feel like piracy is a more apt description of the Somalia's behavior, where it isn't really for the US.

Are the Somalis acting on government orders?

Is there any question that their behavior is illegal?

Is the primary motivation of those boarding the boat their own self enrichment?

I would very much like to see Trump held accountable for this shit show but I think this particular angle is pretty thin.

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geneva_convenience Moderator geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml
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Firstly, I absolutely hate that the US gets a free pass on everything and im sick of leaders refusing to blame Trump for this shit show for fear of reprisal. That said, I genuinely feel like piracy is a more apt description of the Somalia's behavior, where it isn't really for the US. Are the Somalis acting on government orders? Is there any question that their behavior is illegal? Is the primar...

The US has zero right to hijack any Iranian ship you are simply adding arbitrary conditions to make it seem like there is a difference between the two.

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unexposedhazard discuss.tchncs.de unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de
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#4 · (edited) Quote Reply

The US has zero right to hijack any Iranian ship you are simply adding arbitrary conditions to make it seem like there is a difference between the two.

The only valid point they made is the "government orders" thing. If you copied the somali headline it would be "US pirates hijack..." which isnt clear on if it was civilians or the government that did the hijacking. But yes "boards" is much too passive. "US military hijacks" would be a accurate.

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fizzle quokk.au fizzle@quokk.au
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The US has zero right to hijack any Iranian ship you are simply adding arbitrary conditions to make it seem like there is a difference between the two.

This is very obviously an argument of semantics.

These countries are at war, even if the US doesn't want to admit that. In a theatre of war combatants "board" ships and "comandeer" them.

Nothing stopping you calling it hijacking if thats your thing but its very obviously a heavy handed attempt at emotive language. It identifies you as a pariah rather than changing the perception of the US navy's behavior.

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okrakai lemmy.ml okrakai@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-03-03
#6 · Quote Reply

Firstly, I absolutely hate that the US gets a free pass on everything and im sick of leaders refusing to blame Trump for this shit show for fear of reprisal. That said, I genuinely feel like piracy is a more apt description of the Somalia's behavior, where it isn't really for the US. Are the Somalis acting on government orders? Is there any question that their behavior is illegal? Is the primar...

Yes, the Somalis are working under the government's orders, the government issued a decree preventing Israeli ships from crossing their waters, because they are supporting somali separatists in "somali land" , so its not piracy, its law.

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geneva_convenience Moderator geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml
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This is very obviously an argument of semantics. These countries are at war, even if the US doesn't want to admit that. In a theatre of war combatants "board" ships and "comandeer" them. Nothing stopping you calling it hijacking if thats your thing but its very obviously a heavy handed attempt at emotive language. It identifies you as a pariah rather than changing the perception of the US navy'...

This is very obviously an argument of semantics.

Yes that's literally the point of this com

Nothing stopping you calling it hijacking if thats your thing but its very obviously a heavy handed attempt at emotive language

So emotive language is okay when Somalis do it? Or not okay when so called "state" actors do it on the other side of the planet?

The act is the same and that's what actually matters. A boat is taken against the will of its crew without any self-defense motive.

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kablez lemmy.world kablez@lemmy.world
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#8 · Quote Reply

The maritime headline I really want to see is "Billionare superyacht hijacked by eco-terrorists, looted and sunk in frenzied 72 hours livestream on TikTok".

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sartalon lemmy.world sartalon@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-10-15
#9 · (edited) Quote Reply

Are the Somalis releasing the vessels and cargo once they are outside the straits, like the U.S. is releasing the vessels they seize?

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sartalon lemmy.world sartalon@lemmy.world
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#10 · (edited) Quote Reply

Yes, the Somalis are working under the government's orders, the government issued a decree preventing Israeli ships from crossing their waters, because they are supporting somali separatists in "somali land" , so its not piracy, its law.

Of the two ships "seized" in April, neither were Israeli and the oil tanker that was "seized", was actually heading to Mogadishu.

Why would the Somali government seize a vessel that was headed to them?

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arrow74 lemmy.zip arrow74@lemmy.zip
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Aqarius lemmy.world Aqarius@lemmy.world
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The circled word isn't "pirate", it's "hijack". Though, it would also work, since I don't see the us being called corsairs either.

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arrow74 lemmy.zip arrow74@lemmy.zip
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#13 · (edited) Quote Reply

The circled word isn't "pirate", it's "hijack". Though, it would also work, since I don't see the us being called corsairs either.
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geneva_convenience Moderator geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml
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International law isn't real.

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arrow74 lemmy.zip arrow74@lemmy.zip
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#15 · (edited) Quote Reply

International law isn't real.
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mathemachristian[he] lemmy.ml mathemachristian@lemmy.ml
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I'm still struggling to think of what else a pirate does to a vessel other than hijack it.

they board it ☝️😃

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arrow74 lemmy.zip arrow74@lemmy.zip
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I'm still struggling to think of what else a pirate does to a vessel other than hijack it. they board it ☝️😃
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mathemachristian[he] lemmy.ml mathemachristian@lemmy.ml
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#18 · Quote Reply

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The US didn't hijack those ships, it boarded them

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arrow74 lemmy.zip arrow74@lemmy.zip
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The US didn't hijack those ships, it boarded them
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Etterra discuss.online Etterra@discuss.online
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#20 · Quote Reply

I mean if we're gonna be pirates then we should at least lean into it. Eye patches and peg legs available on request.

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geneva_convenience Moderator geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml
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International law is a fairy tale for adults.

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mathemachristian[he] lemmy.ml mathemachristian@lemmy.ml
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#22 · Quote Reply

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hijack:
to take control of an aircraft or other vehicle during a journey, especially using violence.

what definition are you going by?

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neukenindekeuken sh.itjust.works neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works
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#23 · Quote Reply

The maritime headline I really want to see is "Billionare superyacht hijacked by eco-terrorists, looted and sunk in frenzied 72 hours livestream on TikTok".

I feel like it could all be done in fewer than 72 hours. Maybe we should do a charity event crossover of these with speedrunners.

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HiddenLayer555 lemmy.ml HiddenLayer555@lemmy.ml
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#24 · (edited) Quote Reply

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If a military force acting under government orders board a vessel it is never piracy. It is an act of war.

"Okay, but that's worse. You do see how that's worse, right?"

(Directed at the BBC who absolutely does not seem to realise)

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hijack: to take control of an aircraft or other vehicle during a journey, especially using violence. what definition are you going by?
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arrow74 lemmy.zip arrow74@lemmy.zip
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#26 · (edited) Quote Reply

International law is a fairy tale for adults.
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mathemachristian[he] lemmy.ml mathemachristian@lemmy.ml
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smuglord

Are you familiar with how words have connotations we associate with them?

omfg make your point or don't, like am i supposed to guess at what specific connotations you're talking about and how they relate to the villanous US navy and then make my reply to that??

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geneva_convenience Moderator geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml
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Ah yes the old I like it so it exists approach. Very intelligent and mature. You’ve proven you are a very big smart man

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Hanrahan slrpnk.net hanrahan@slrpnk.net
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International law is a fairy tale for adults.

as is any kaw, the only difference between the two is the level of violence. All law is conea from the barrel of a gun.

Ask Duterte how things are going.

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okrakai lemmy.ml okrakai@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-03-03
#30 · Quote Reply

Of the two ships "seized" in April, neither were Israeli and the oil tanker that was "seized", was actually heading to Mogadishu. Why would the Somali government seize a vessel that was headed to them?

then it went against a different Somali law, look into it more before spreading false claims

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sartalon lemmy.world sartalon@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-10-15
#31 · (edited) Quote Reply

then it went against a different Somali law, look into it more before spreading false claims

You're the one that said it!

Gaslight much?

Oh, I see, this is .ML where facts don't matter and the U.S. is always worse than everyone.

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orc girly lemmy.ml orc_princess@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2025-09-11
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You're the one that said it! Gaslight much? Oh, I see, this is .ML where facts don't matter and the U.S. is always worse than everyone.

the U.S. is always worse than everyone.

That's just facts though lol

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okrakai lemmy.ml okrakai@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-03-03
#33 · Quote Reply

You're the one that said it! Gaslight much? Oh, I see, this is .ML where facts don't matter and the U.S. is always worse than everyone.

I said it, so you look it up

You can't expect me to do everything for you, can you?

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