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If USSR didn't fall neither would Yugoslavia though. |
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Tatar_Nobility@lemmy.ml Joined: 2022-07-13 |
People ignore the global impact the dissolution had. Socialist parties everywhere either rebranded to a neoliberalized form of social democracy or lost their traction. Entire labor movements collapsed and capitalist governments backpedaled on lots of welfare reforms that the working classes fought for with their blood, because there was no more a socialist global power to compete with. |
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yogthos@lemmy.mlJoined: 2020-01-18 |
People ignore the global impact the dissolution had. Socialist parties everywhere either rebranded to a neoliberalized form of social democracy or lost their traction. Entire labor movements collapsed and capitalist governments backpedaled on lots of welfare reforms that the working classes fought for with their blood, because there was no more a socialist global power to compete with.
Parenti wrote a great article on the subject https://www.marxists.org/archive/parenti/2002/global-rollback.pdf |
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It's a direct cause of the former. |
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It's a direct cause of the former.
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Cowbee [he/they]
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If only the German revolution had succeeded shortly after the Russian. We'd likely live in a very different world. |
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yogthos@lemmy.mlJoined: 2020-01-18 |
If only the German revolution had succeeded shortly after the Russian. We'd likely live in a very different world.
I've thought about this before. If Germany went communist then it's almost certain that the rest of Europe would too. There wouldn't have been a second world war, and the US would've remained an isolationist power. In fact, the US itself had a strong labour movement back in the 1930s, and it would've been significantly boosted by Europe being communist. |
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If USSR didn't fall neither would Yugoslavia though.
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Last I checked Yugoslavia was firmly socialist. And that was the primary reason NATO invaded it, something they would've never dared to do when USSR was around. If you don't understand this basic fact, don't know what else to tell you. |
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Last I checked Yugoslavia was firmly socialist. And that was the primary reason NATO invaded it, something they would've never dared to do when USSR was around. If you don't understand this basic fact, don't know what else to tell you.
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I'm well aware of the Tito-Stalin split and the unaligned. You do realize that neither Yugoslavia or USSR in the 80s remotely resembled what they were link in the 50s right? The primary reason NATO invaded was to destroy a socialist state, and if you genuinely believe that NATO invaded to stop ethnic cleansing then you need to get your head checked. Meanwhile, the fact that you don't understand that NATO would've never dared to invade Yugoslavia while USSR was around clearly demonstrates that you have no clue regarding the subject you're attempting to debate here and your woefully uninformed opinions can be safely ignored. Bye. |
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bobo@lemmy.ml Joined: 2025-08-15 |
I'm well aware of the Tito-Stalin split and the unaligned. You do realize that neither Yugoslavia or USSR in the 80s remotely resembled what they were link in the 50s right? The primary reason NATO invaded was to destroy a socialist state, and if you genuinely believe that NATO invaded to stop ethnic cleansing then you need to get your head checked. Meanwhile, the fact that you don't understand...
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yogthos@lemmy.mlJoined: 2020-01-18 |
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Having a Yugoslavian passport clearly does not stand in your way of being an ignoramus. But sure enjoy spewing nonsense confidently like the living embodiment of Dunning-Kruger effect that you are. |
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No, the petrodollar scheme years caused the entire Eastern bloc to suffer, The USSR had and has the fossil fuels to do it (and is recovering right now). |
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Cowbee [he/they]
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Cowbee@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-12-31 |
I've thought about this before. If Germany went communist then it's almost certain that the rest of Europe would too. There wouldn't have been a second world war, and the US would've remained an isolationist power. In fact, the US itself had a strong labour movement back in the 1930s, and it would've been significantly boosted by Europe being communist.
Yep, it would have destroyed or severely weakened imperialism, giving socialist countries far more room to breathe and carry that momentum forward. Germany was also ripe for socialism as it was heavily industrialized and state run, just with bourgeois control. |
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yogthos@lemmy.mlJoined: 2020-01-18 |
Yep, it would have destroyed or severely weakened imperialism, giving socialist countries far more room to breathe and carry that momentum forward. Germany was also ripe for socialism as it was heavily industrialized and state run, just with bourgeois control.
Instead, socdems gave us fascism and the world we have today. |
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Cowbee [he/they]
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Cowbee@lemmy.mlJoined: 2023-12-31 |
Instead, socdems gave us fascism and the world we have today.
Truly the left wing of fascism. |
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Sualtam@lemmus.org Joined: 2026-03-05 |
Last I checked Yugoslavia was firmly socialist. And that was the primary reason NATO invaded it, something they would've never dared to do when USSR was around. If you don't understand this basic fact, don't know what else to tell you.
Wasn't firmly socialist, but a socialist market economy. |
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yogthos@lemmy.mlJoined: 2020-01-18 |
Wasn't firmly socialist, but a socialist market economy.
Markets are in no way at odds with socialism. |
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Sualtam@lemmus.org Joined: 2026-03-05 |
Markets are in no way at odds with socialism.
If you asked the Soviets, they are. |
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yogthos@lemmy.mlJoined: 2020-01-18 |
If you asked the Soviets, they are.
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menas@lemmy.wtf Joined: 2023-11-10 |
Minorities oppression, and colonialism was a thing in USSR; some tsarists institutions were kept, and the nationalism of Stalin did not help. Sure it do not lead to war, but this this is not the point you wish to make. Though, they is some devastation due to the post-USSR liberalization that is largely underestimate |
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