Branded language makes us only see one choice, its very anti competitive.

Conflicted on filename extensions. For the average person it works just fine, and I suppose that's what probably matters. It's not very common for not knowing the details of how they work to matter. It's just silly that the same information is also in the start of the file 99% of the time. It is nice though to have a readable, usually reliable label, and then have a signature anyways for when different names overlap. Wikipeda lists 4 completely unrelated types with a .mod extension, for example.

Pretty much any application will correctly open any file type it supports, regardless of the extension. So it is quite unintuitive that you could have a file named ".png" that seems to work completely fine yet is actually a jpeg or something. But that hopefully isn't a case that people run into very often, so it probably doesn't matter.

Same, you're not gonna believe who i said it to... My networking classmate

!fedimemes@feddit.uk would love this

Yeah, like 'google it' instead of 'look it up'

I first got introduced to Blender in basically the same way back in elementary school

those computers probably weren't actually very restricted, but none of us knew enough about computers for that to matter lol. as long as they blocked us from going on the download pages

other stupid thing someone figured out how to run was that Star Wars ASCII thing in the terminal (lol looked it up and found this article https://www.instructables.com/How-to-get-an-ASCII-Star-Wars-movie-on-Mac/)

There's the people who know what source code is, then the subset of those who have heard of open source, then the subset of those who actually know what it means as opposed to like source available

"download" might have triggered that

It's "just ask ChatGPT" now

It's funny how that question can become serious again when you do actually know what you're talking about

I remember this video addressing it at the end and basically giving up because it's so meaningless lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmPIxfCggFw

Reminded of how, for some unfathomable reason, the way you access the task manager on ChromeOS is through the hamburger menu in the bar of the Chrome browser. Plus the popups "gmail actually works much better in chrome!! trust me!!"

I can see how people could get confused lol

The real problem is when people gatekeep cool open source projects. Not a great way to grow a community.

obviously tests aren't everything and don't necessarily reflect user experience, and idk what that jump in safari at the end is from, but chrome clearly has some things going for it.

currently chrome passes 97.4% of applicable tests, firefox passes 95.8%, safari 94.8%, ladybird 92.9%, and servo 89.6% (a lot of the bulk is "easy" stuff like text encoding)

https://wpt.fyi/

I google stuff in the brave search google engine

The most intelligent people aren't those with the greatest amount of knowledge but rather they're the people that are capable of patiently breaking down concepts for their fellow human beings to understand.

Only Linux? ONLY Linux?

It's the Gnu/Linux ecosystem with a shit load of software.

(yeah which the average person has no idea about, proving the point in the comic 😁)

Oh, that's a funny one. Google didn't want you to use that either, as they almost lost right to their own name copyright (or they did? Can't remember) due to it becoming common word xD

I've taken to calling it 'The internet App' when talking to none techy people.

The real annoying one is getting people to find the "Start" button on Windows realizing it hasn't be branded that since XP.

Thank you Richard, however:

1. Not all Linux distributions use GNU.
2. GNU coreutils aren't the only or even most important component of a modern distro. systemd is.

Learnt helplessness has become a real thing around the world.

I know a lot of people who could normally wrap their head around basic computing and troubleshooting in the 2000s, who now go into a near panic attack if the apps on their iPhone suddenly look different...

I would say software people are actually too accommodating.

Take a look around at what being too accommodating did to the web.

"Filesystem? You mean the downloads folder? Yes I know about it. You just tap the Files app"

💀

Firefox and, Opera my beloved, was the thing during the 2010s

People should stop being condescending at all and regardless what it's about.

Actually most firefox users don't know its open source. I was baffled for years about its inclusion in ubuntu and fedora by default. I even specifically went out of my way to find "open source version of firefox". This is how I discovered it was open source. This was after using gentoo for several years.

This is true for every field. I have noticed this many times, whenever I was introduced to something new I never expected those things to be that deep. So I have understood that almost all things are shallow in nature to us until and unles we ourself step into it

I think they'll know about VLC, Audacity and Blender also

They did not. Names are not copyrightable.

Now that you mention it, i think i remember using Opera on my phone at the time. I don't remember why tbh, maybe i felt like it was more lightweight and faster, but no clue if that was actually true.

Ooooo seems like you're personally invested and did not catch the tongue in cheek drift.

XD

hahaha wow

I've heard people referring to the internal search function of a program as "google".

One time someone wanted to use "find and replace" in VsCode and he just said "I google the word and replace it".

VLC and Blender are not really alternatives tho, rather industry standard

True, true. Checked again and it was trademark they almost lost.

Sadly, they kept it :(

I have had a comm literally dogpile me claiming linux wasn't designed for multi sessions or to run as a terminal server.

My respect for lemmy foss forums is in the fucking toilet.

really depends and you really gotta research if it's even going to be worth your time. there's a site where you can check if your chromebook will work and how difficult it will be: https://docs.chrultrabook.com/

some you have to physically open up and mess with like a screw or two. some use other methods. that site will tell you specifically what you have to physically do to get it working.

Then you have to take into consideration the SSD you have on your chromebook. like will it even have enough space to do anything worthwhile. I put linux on a chromebook and honestly all it's good for is opening some terminals to do some basic things and maybe stream stuff online. that's it. And it can be a struggle to get linux installed so again is it worth your time to have something that could potentially be a glorified terminal station? up to you. Don't get me wrong it's a fun hobby project but that's about it.

there's a lot of people that hopped on the Linux train in the past few years. which is great, truly. but many of them don't understand where it came from or what it was originally designed to solve. particularly on lemmy, people are pretty up in arms about their opinions of Linux all the time, so I would bet whichever comm was doing that is mainly the new heads. again, love that it's getting mainstream recognition but I wish the combative attitude was at least tabled until they actually understand it.

the recent debate of systemd in here kind of drove home that a lot of people just parrot points without having their own thought out opinions.

All FOSS nerds that joined after 2020 only know OBS, charge they phone, distro hop, eat hot chip, and GUI.

Oh let's be honest, elitism has always been baked into linux a bit. Remember the old joke about how to get help on a linux comm? Ask and get told to RTFM even if you detail a complex issue that demonstrates you have in fact read tf m. Say "linux sucks because you can't do X or Y like you can in windows" and they fall over themselves.....

But yeah, the new batch of users are just...you want to gently grab them by the face and say "you're not fucking nero hacking the matrix because a command line interface doesn't make you shit your pants any more my dude. Stop acting like it."

As soon as a kind of Tech starts getting fanboys, you start getting ignorant bollocks about it, not just from the fanboys but also from the kind of people that, just as emotionally, set themselves against the fanboys not because of any understanding of the weaknesses of the Tech itself but purelly as a psychological need to set themselves against the fanboys.

Linux used to have a huge barrier to entry - for example, you used to literally have to understand how CRTs worked in order to configure X and get it running - which kept the fanboyism down and the few whose like for it went all the way into fanboyisms were at least technically savvy so mainly understood what they were talking about, but nowadays the "quality" of fanboys is closer to the level of game, celebrity or or political fanboys - people highly emotionally engaged that don't have any in depth understanding and are only "experts" on the highly visible superficial stuff.

Anyways, all this to say that fanboyism, whilst being a bad way to relate to Tech (IMHO, and the same for people who set themselves against fanboys as just as mindless contrarians), does indicate to me that Linux is definitelly becoming established as mainstream rather than the OS for mainly server side experts and hobbyists that it was for decades.

Experience has taught me that Intelligence and Wisdom are very different things, and whilst the former can help get the latter faster, having lots of the former in no way form or shape guarantees any of the latter or even that one will get any of it.

I would even say that there's a level of high intelligence but not high enough (I mentally call them "Entry Level Geniouses") that leads people who think they're so much better than everybody else whilst not being intelligent enough to figure out the limits in capability and breath of use of intelligence alone, so they never figure out the whole "All I know is that I know nothing" and don't really start walking down the path to Wisdom. Elon Musk is probably a good example.

your anecdote is making me irrationally angry

it's just whoop

I'm not saying there aren't exceptions. linux users come from various backgrounds, if someone told me they use Linux I don't assume they're from CS. I'm not either. But given they're not from CS, the chances they've even heard of it is very low.

It's just a sad but real fact that when you go out into the real world outside of your online communities with similar interests, people don't know Linux or open source.

ArcGIS is the proprietary industry standard, but QGIS is catching up. I personally don't like Arc and have only used it when I was in industry. Even in academia colleges pay for ArcGIS but I just use QGIS.

You can also customize QGIS easily and there're a lot of community plugins. And works well with other open source tools or CLI tools.

Main thing that makes Arc popular in industry is the liability. They can claim they used the best available industry standard software, so the errors are not their fault, and deflect it to the software company. While with open-source alternatives they might be held liable. It's not a problem if the open source is the standard. But that only happens when they were there first, hard to do it otherwise.

Most Gen A are mostly technically illiterate

That's just memes made by angry childless millennials. Anyone with kids will tell you how frustratingly talented with technology they can be.

Judging by how huge share of browser usage Firefox has, I am pretty sure vast majority of normies know nothing about Firefox

Okay but litterally everyone knows about Firefox.

I'm willing to concede some people don't know about Linux. But I've never met anyone who didn't know about Firefox.