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brucethemoose
lemmy.world
brucethemoose@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-03-22 |
I’m shocked it even has any users tbh.
It was part of my linux journey long ago, and TBH I bet many still run into in from historical recommendations and popularity. But I think CachyOS is taking over their "preconfigured arch with the most SEO" spot. |
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brucethemoose
lemmy.world
brucethemoose@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-03-22 |
I mean they have their own repos and take a position of "hardened updates" that are two weeks older than the bleeding edge ones of Arch. I used it briefly out of curiosity a couple years ago. It seemed generally fine, although I seem to remember having issues with some AUR stuff. That's kinda to be expected and could even just be general fuckery on the part of the package maintainers, not manja...
Manjaro was more unstable than Arch ever was, for me. My experience was:
It turns out Arch Linux is more tested and "held back" than people give it credit for. There's little to gain from forking like that, instead of just contributing to upstream arch testing. Not to mention the cert thing. Manjaro really did let certs expire many times. When I was new to linux, that took me forever to figure out. |
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prunerye
slrpnk.net
prunerye@slrpnk.net Joined: 2023-09-09 |
I thought the devs were supposed to be taking back the project. I'm guessing that didn't happen.
The new e.V. formed in late June, but as far as I understand, they don't actually have control over any of the infrastructure. |
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Dran
lemmy.world
Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-20 |
some iconic duos in the Linux community: Arch and AUR malware, Ubuntu and bad updates, NixOS and community/team members leaving, Manjaro and failing to renew its cert.
This is the only drama in your list I'm not familiar with already. What/when did they last break? |
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Nalivai
lemmy.world
Nalivai@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-30 |
Ubuntu and bad updates This is the only drama in your list I'm not familiar with already. What/when did they last break?
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REDACTED
infosec.pub
REDACTED@infosec.pub Joined: 2025-02-05 |
Floorp sounds like an alien or galaxy from Rick and Morty |
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vogi
piefed.social
vogi@piefed.socialJoined: 2025-09-07 |
@remindme@mstdn.social 2026-11-22T01:18:46 |
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ryannathans
aussie.zone
ryannathans@aussie.zoneJoined: 2023-09-20 |
just install certbot + a daily cron
Or caddy that does it automatically But of course it's more complex than that in significantly distributed environments |
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ryannathans
aussie.zone
ryannathans@aussie.zoneJoined: 2023-09-20 |
Yeah, caddy automatically renews certs by default, as does traefik as far as i can tell, and certbot installs a timer for this.
Yeah sure but in significantly distributed environments I'm sure there's more complexity to it than that |
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kinther
lemmy.world
kinther@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-09 |
HOW THE FUCK DID THEY MANAGE IT AGAIN
They have embraced the meme |
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SaharaMaleikuhm
feddit.org
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org Joined: 2024-07-23 |
just install certbot + a daily cron
I think the Manjaro devs can't read. Could you mime it? |
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The_v
lemmy.world
The_v@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-02 |
Like, when you... "get" the certificate... Doesn't it say... "on it" exactly which date it expires? So maybe set a thing in your calendar or an alarm on your phone or some shit? How hard can this be?
You could proactively take care of it with a reminder on the calendar. Or alternatively, just let the community inform you when you need to renew it. Both are effective methods. |
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WoodYouLookAtThat
lemmy.today
WoodYouLookAtThat@lemmy.today Joined: 2026-05-18 |
Most web server have ACME support built-in nowadays, setup is a matter of minutes, no scripting required. This has been a solved problem for years, any sysadmin who can't handle this basic task has no business running public-facing servers.
And my friends wonder why I recommend against Manjaro... |
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not_IO
lemmy.blahaj.zone
not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2024-12-06 |
some iconic duos in the Linux community: Arch and AUR malware, Ubuntu and bad updates, NixOS and community/team members leaving, Manjaro and failing to renew its cert.
Welcome to Linux, do you want the BenevolentDictatorOS, WeaponsManifaturerOS, MalwareOS or Debian? |
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Victor
lemmy.world
victorz@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-11-14 |
You could proactively take care of it with a reminder on the calendar. Or alternatively, just let the community inform you when you need to renew it. Both are effective methods.
The second alternative is a bit of a gamble with trust though eh 😅 |
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orenj [he/they]
leminal.space
orenj@leminal.spaceJoined: 2026-04-04 |
Again????? Again??????????? |
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ジン
quokk.au
Dialectical_Specialist@quokk.auJoined: 2025-10-25 |
Is there a running tally somehwere? I need something like the credible defense guys' |
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chronicledmonocle
lemmy.world
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-06-24 |
You could proactively take care of it with a reminder on the calendar. Or alternatively, just let the community inform you when you need to renew it. Both are effective methods.
They use LetsEncrypt. There is literally a bot you can install to automate the renewal process daily on a cron schedule and notify you if it fails. They're just fucking morons managing the infra for their domain. |
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Rachel
lemmy.blahaj.zone
ComradeRachel@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2025-03-01 |
Why isn’t this an automated processs for them? |
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The_v
lemmy.world
The_v@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-02 |
The second alternative is a bit of a gamble with trust though eh 😅
Since I have never used the distro but have seen threads like these popping up every time the cert expires, I don't think it takes much trust. Also it's pretty fucking hilarious. |
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The_v
lemmy.world
The_v@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-02 |
They use LetsEncrypt. There is literally a bot you can install to automate the renewal process daily on a cron schedule and notify you if it fails. They're just fucking morons managing the infra for their domain.
Yes there is an easy fix that will make the problem go away. At this point you know it's deliberate. I personally think it's hilarious. |
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SwingingTheLamp
piefed.zip
SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip Joined: 2025-12-27 |
Ubuntu and bad updates This is the only drama in your list I'm not familiar with already. What/when did they last break?
Recently, the nvidia-dkms driver updates wouldn't build for 5.x series kernels, so if you hadn't cleaned up old kernels, the update bombed out before updating the initrd filesystem, the system couldn't boot without intervention. Thankfully, I noticed before trying to reboot my work desktop, and the solution was "apt autoremove && apt upgrade". But the install media for my desktop at home was 18.04, and it's running 26.04 now. It has an AMD GPU, so it hasn't had update problems. |
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furry toaster
lemmy.blahaj.zone
protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2025-01-04 |
some iconic duos in the Linux community: Arch and AUR malware, Ubuntu and bad updates, NixOS and community/team members leaving, Manjaro and failing to renew its cert.
you forgot the oldest of them all, Debian and the its museum, their repos |
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stoly
lemmy.world
stoly@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-01-04 |
Why isn’t this an automated processs for them?
I wonder if they are still on an old cert system. |
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loutr
sh.itjust.works
loutr@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-06-11 |
Yeah sure but in significantly distributed environments I'm sure there's more complexity to it than that
Sure but that's a solved problem as well. |
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dismay3915
lemmy.world
dismay3915@lemmy.world Joined: 2026-02-15 |
Holy shit this is so stupid I can't defend them anymore 😂😂 |
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_stranger_
lemmy.world
_stranger_@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-08-02 |
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nullptr
lemmy.world
kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-06-15 |
"floorp", really? lol thats the name? |
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lemmydividebyzero
reddthat.com
lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com Joined: 2024-08-28 |
At this point... Why aren't Linux users tracking the certificate and notify them? |
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CovfefeKills
lemmy.world
CovfefeKills@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-08-23 |
"floorp", really? lol thats the name?
Give me your money take me seriously without my own investment. floorp today. |
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BurgerBaron
quokk.au
BurgerBaron@quokk.auJoined: 2026-05-18 |
HAHAHAHAHA |
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Victor
lemmy.world
victorz@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-11-14 |
Since I have never used the distro but have seen threads like these popping up every time the cert expires, I don't think it takes much trust. Also it's pretty fucking hilarious.
It really is starting to become pretty laughable. |
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Hupf
feddit.org
Hupf@feddit.orgJoined: 2024-07-24 |
"floorp", really? lol thats the name?
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klankin
piefed.ca
klankin@piefed.ca Joined: 2026-01-12 |
Sure but that's a solved problem as well.
And if they can't handle distributed systems, they're the worst possible choice to maintain a distro - a massive distributed system of PCs |
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klankin
piefed.ca
klankin@piefed.ca Joined: 2026-01-12 |
yes, but the people who want to implement that are held back and sabotaged by the guy who owns the shit. this is not about incompetence.
Incompetent managers are worse than incompetent devs |
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Ann Archy
lemmy.world
anarchy79@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-08-17 |
At this point... Why aren't Linux users tracking the certificate and notify them?
You might as well be asking why people found porn in bushes in the 80s. Or what ball lightning is. Or what is zen. |
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Ann Archy
lemmy.world
anarchy79@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-08-17 |
Why isn’t this an automated processs for them?
Why isn't it for everyone? How often I see this with, I mean, major actors is head shakingly baffling. |
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Ann Archy
lemmy.world
anarchy79@lemmy.worldJoined: 2023-08-17 |
Again????? Again???????????
BINGO! In fact I got a full 5x5 card of bingo because I wrote "Manjaro doesn't renew its cert" in all of the boxes. |
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psilotop
lemmy.world
psilotop@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-03 |
I jumped ship after 2 times. Such a shame because I loved the OS but this is the opposite of what I expect a distro to do. |
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renegadespork
lemmy.jelliefrontier.net
renegadespork@lemmy.jelliefrontier.netJoined: 2024-12-03 |
This is literally why I stopped using Manjaro. I’ve botched 2 Manjaro installs just doing a Never once had this issue with EndeavorOS. |
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SatyrSack
quokk.au
SatyrSack@quokk.auJoined: 2025-08-25 |
"floorp", really? lol thats the name?
The name of the web browser being used there, yes. |
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Auth
lemmy.world
Auth@lemmy.world Joined: 2025-06-11 |
some iconic duos in the Linux community: Arch and AUR malware, Ubuntu and bad updates, NixOS and community/team members leaving, Manjaro and failing to renew its cert.
Debian and shipping broken packages |
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StarDreamer
lemmy.blahaj.zone
stardreamer@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2023-08-02 |
This is literally why I stopped using Manjaro. I’ve botched 2 Manjaro installs just doing a pacman -Syu while their certs were expired and I ended up with an incomplete upgrade. Never once had this issue with EndeavorOS.
Doesn't happen with Antergos either. I mean, I've gotten a NXDomain error ever since they shut down, but at least it's not a certificate expiry! |
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AlligatorBlizzard
sh.itjust.works
AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-13 |
Replaced ff with floorp several months ago, pretty happy with it so far
Not sure why you're getting downvoted, the browser used for the screenshot is sufficiently on topic for a meme sub, especially a FOSS browser for Linux on a Linux meme sub. Floorp is a pretty ridiculous name though. |
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StarDreamer
lemmy.blahaj.zone
stardreamer@lemmy.blahaj.zoneJoined: 2023-08-02 |
I wonder if they are still on an old cert system.
This came up last time the cert expired iirc. Tl;dr one of the founders is holding up the infra not allowing any change. According to someone who worked on Manjaro, it was trivially easy to get this fixed, but that single person simply wouldn't approve it. Last I checked they sent the founder an ultimatum: either hand over the project or see the staff walk. I suppose the staff walked. |
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oortjunk
sh.itjust.works
jaemo@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-08 |
Yep... Validation of my decision to cachyos after my last drive needed surgery. |
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whotookkarl
lemmy.dbzer0.com
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.comJoined: 2025-07-12 |
HOW THE FUCK DID THEY MANAGE IT AGAIN
Why set a reminder when an expiration will do the same job |
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toddestan
lemmy.world
toddestan@lemmy.world Joined: 2023-07-29 |
Honestly, I installed it on my 2nd laptop and workstation because I really wanted the AUR, but got tired of Arch unstable update process 15 years ago and left Linux for personal use for MacOS. It still has everything I want on my main laptop, home brew and a terminal with tmux. It just works and I just couldn't be arsed reinstalling, but yeah, if I would, I would just use Arch again now.
I'm also in the club of having a couple of Manjaro installs that now date back a few years to when it was still cool. Honestly as a distro it works pretty well and my complaints are few. If I had to reinstall I'd take a closer look at CachyOS, EndeavourOS, or even just Arch, but I can't really be bothered to replace something that's working just fine so I'll stick with it for now. |
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stoly
lemmy.world
stoly@lemmy.world Joined: 2024-01-04 |
This came up last time the cert expired iirc. Tl;dr one of the founders is holding up the infra not allowing any change. According to someone who worked on Manjaro, it was trivially easy to get this fixed, but that single person simply wouldn't approve it. Last I checked they sent the founder an ultimatum: either hand over the project or see the staff walk. I suppose the staff walked.
Sad. With FOSS you have to be able to let go. |
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/home/pineapplelover
lemmy.dbzer0.com
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2025-06-30 |
Debian and shipping broken packages
Bruh what? I went to debian for server because of stability. It only updates like once a decade and still ships broken packages? |
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