Yes, that's why I want to read both... You don't have to speak so aggressively. I didn't say anything I listed wasn't biased.

There's nothing to be gained by being polite with people acting in naked bad faith

Ok I specifically chose books that based their information on historical documents provided by said governments. All of my current list are supposed to be the most historically driven, again, based on information obtained by the structures of power in question. You can dismiss them as fake or historically inaccurate but nothing supports that claim. Particularly the road to terror, everyday stalinism and history of the gulag.

What are you or your movement gaining by telling them to kill themselves?

No, but you're not owed a servile attitude and I think its pretty reasonably of me to treat you as I do, when you behave as you do

Not me, but it does make it clear that that kind of behaviour isn't welcome here

What would be gained by creating a safe space for a beliggerent, obtuse, dickhead like you?

What is gained by treating your behavior and arguments with the ridicule they deserve?

You should not engage in a discussion in order to convince someone to change their mind, but if you do so, and you do it in a public forum, then you ought to understand the mind you're changing is very rarely that of the person youre interacting with, but that of onlookers.

Finally, not everything is about some robotic desire to advance an ideological cause. Its pretty reasonable for people to react negatively, when you behave negatively. You behave like a smug prick, despite you being obviously uneducated on the subject you desire to speak, so naturally people treat you like a smug prick opening their mouth to talk when they ought to shut up and listen.

I'm more and more assured why .ml is such a hated instance by the way you all seem to talk. Wishing suicide on people is totally fine if they disagreed with your stance.

True encouraging suicide is a good way to convince people not to interact.

It's all fucked up. My brother ended up on parole and it was designed to keep him from holding down a job. He'd have random drug screenings, which meant that each morning he'd call in to the system to find out if he had a drug screening. If he did, he'd have to drive to the county where he committed the offense and was convicted (2 hours away from his home) to wait a few hours to pee in a cup. Imagine holding down a job and not knowing until day of that you'll need to take off most of the day. And they wouldn't even let him do his drug screenings closer to home--theory was that the county got paid per parolee.

Anyways, my brother is a jerk but the system is needlessly cruel.

"Stalinism" isn't really a thing. Marxism-Leninism was synthesized by Stalin, but Stalin did not really present anything radically different from Marxism, nor Lenin's advancements understood as Leninism.

Ok, so if I assumed someone I was arguing about American politics with on an English speaking forum was American, it doesn’t just mean I was wrong to assume that, it also means that I believe the lives of non-Americans do not matter?

Doesn't mean you were wrong to assume that??? Omfg you keep telling on yourself

Then leave

Wishing suicide on people is totally fine if they disagreed with your stance.

We want fascists to follow their leader, yes.

Marx was not simply an anarchist. Abolition of the state, in Marxist analysis, is through the gradual collectivization of production and distribution and the eradication of class. Therefore, for a state to wither away, it must be made up of a class that seeks this as a common interest. In other words, it must be a proletarian state. As Marx referred to it, this is the dictatorship of the proletariat, where the working classes have the full control of authority.

Marxism-Leninism did not change this analysis. Instead, the development of Leninist party building strategies and theory of revolution worked out the details of actually achieving what Marx described as the historical task of the proletariat. There is no permanence to the state, such a position both goes directly against Marxism-Leninism in general and dialectical materialism in particular.

Cool that the disagreeing part is supporting US imperialism, nazis should die, is not that difficult to grasp

This is a little confusing, because the flag on the left is the flag of the Soviet Union. But the Soviet Union was (a) a confederation of countries and (b) not fully incorporated until 1955 under the Warsaw Pact. It's a bit weird to count "prisoners under the USSR" as a political block, but only count "prisoners under the United States" as a single country. Would make more sense to count all the prisoners in all the NATO countries against their populations, as point of comparison.

Also, inevitably has to be asked, because "Black Book" assholes love doing this, but... 1950 was very close to the end of WW2. So, how many of these 2.5M prisoners were wearing little swastika armbands five years earlier?

Sorry to bring up something that hurt your narrative :(

I understand why you think all members of the US military should be killed. I don't understand why saying "they shouldn't and here's why i feel that way" requires such a venom tipped response. Especially when the second rule of the instance is "Be respectful, especially when disagreeing. Everyone should feel welcome here."

"Be respectful, especially when disagreeing. Everyone should feel welcome here."

There's another 2.9M Americans under probation, which rounds out the total to the 5.5M in the statistic.

We often hear about probation as a “lenient” sentence for someone facing possible time behind bars, and about parole as the act of a benevolent parole board, allowing an incarcerated person to be released before completing their maximum sentence. These one-dimensional views trick us into seeing these systems as entirely separate from incarceration, but they’re deeply linked. Staying in compliance with dozens of high-stakes, arbitrary rules is so unmanageable that experts call community supervision systems “a deprivation of liberty in their own right.” Moreover, probation and parole are often pathways into incarceration from the community, with violations of supervision accounting for 42% of prison admissions nationwide.

In practice, the process of probation outsources the costs associated with incarceration to the convict, while still imposing a litany of restrictions on travel, association, employment, and behavior through continuous surveillance. The difference between probation and incarceration largely comes down the second-order putative aspects of jail life (inedible food, lack of sleep, prison-encouraged social violence including murder). The primary purpose of jail - social isolation and continuous state monitoring - continues to be fulfilled.

Oh hey yet another instance of making up something I didnt say! Maybe this thing you do where you read what you'd like people to have written instead of what they actually wrote, is part of the many problems you have.

Because of the way you say it and the way you engage with others. You keep trying to play this smol bean act, but we can all see how much of an ass you've been throughout this thread.

Because this is not their first rodeo.

Yes, and you have been disrespectful from the start and you're making the space worse and less welcoming, which is why we are mean to you.

What? The murder of a bunch of Nazis? Or the murder of a bunch of royalists?

It was (a) a federal union of national republics and (b) besides the Karelian being incoporated into the Russian in 1956 it would have all it's constituent republics in 1940

If you want to compare with NATO you should compare the Warsaw pact as a whole to NATO, not just the Soviet Union.

Wow! What an outrageous thing for someone to do! Please show me the comment where they tell you to take your own life!

Point to a disrespectful or aggressive comment from me.

"Please do hold your breath" what's the implication there?

How so?

I want you to shut up. Pretty obvious.

All of them

This is not the first comment explaining how, which is a neat example of it in itself

Again, Stalinism isn't a thing. What is your actual argument? The USSR was run according to Marxist-Leninist principles.

"Politician" is not a class. The state, in Marxist theory, is not outside of class struggle, but is within it. The CPSU did not concentrate wealth in their hands, in fact they were paid wages akin to highly skilled labor at the highest level. As such, wealth inequality went dramatically down:

This is why the Soviet administrators cared so much about the working claases, they were working class themselves. Starvation was eliminated in the Soviet Union, life expectancy doubled in the first few decades, literacy rates skyrocketed to 99.9%, unemployment and homelessness were both nearly eliminated.

Yes, it's enormously easy to simply paint the USSR as an exact replica of capitalism and aristocracy in outcome, only different in form. It's also enormously incorrect, and bears no resemblance to reality. As socialists, we need to actually seek truth from facts, and not coast by on vibes alone.

A contraction of a slur is still a slur. I hope you can reflect on yourself and become a better person but that seems unlikely. In the meantime have you considered fucking off?

tard

Apheretic form of removed.

(slang, derogatory, offensive)

Literally none of them. Gimme a quote where I'm aggressive, disrespectful or insult anyone.

That killing 1 mil potential prisoners reduces your prison population?? It was really THAT hard?