Par for the libfash course

Oh, are you backtracking already? Before it was "worse than Trump supporters" now it's "a fucking problem like MAGA is." This is exactly what I mean. You just say shit.

You want to show that you don't just say shit? Then explain how voting for Trump is less bad than staying home or voting third party. Maybe you should go around knocking on doors, finding former Republican voters who sat out because they refused to support Trump, and you should tell them they should've voted Trump because staying home was "worse."

Absolutely wild how desperate you are to shift responsibility away from actual Trump voters, to blame anyone except those who directly brought him to power. Maybe you should examine what it is in your brain that causes you to do that.

Or maybe you should just keep saying shit with zero thought or examination whatsoever.

I think because your definition of "what people actually did" and mine differs a lot. Either that or we are talking past each other.

Is that the case? You’re prevented from voting by having a felony on your record?

No, but I know enough to vote against trump

Agreed. And look - double extra genocide now. So. What did we learn.

It’s amazing your political beliefs aren’t more widespread. Probably just lots of oppression an that innit.

Redirecting yet again.

I voted against fascism, you didn’t. And when it comes around again you still won’t.

You don't have a clue how I voted and you don't actually care, you're just desperate for any excuse to ignore valid criticism of your morally bankrupt bullshit

US education system is trash+heavy metal poisoning, simple as

There's nothing double or extra, it's just affecting you at all now which is the only thing you actually give a shit about

The US is a nation of and for leopards, the sooner it's humbled properly the better off the world will be

Nobody does that.

People are pointing out the choices US-American voters have

• genocide and police violence
• the above, but also

That sounds a lot like, uh, doing that.

Oh do enlighten us then. How did you vote.

Simple as eh. Mm hmm.

Well, no and you’re wrong, and wrong again, so probably best to wrap it up there.

Anything's possible when you make shit up kiddo

Yes

So you say

I voted for your mother

I'm right, cry about it halfwit

Answer the fucking core of their point, instead going on random tangents. How the fuck is Trump better for the palestinians you supposedly care about than the Democrats? How did NOT having a spineless democrat in office help them? What did all you moral purists do in those 4-ish hours once every 4 years where you didn't vote? How many walmarts have been fire bombed?

But this pretends that "not voting" is somehow a morally neutral inaction. It is a choice, the choice to support genocide EVEN HARDER.

This has very little to do with utilitarianism or deontology, and everything with retaining a feeling of moral superiority without having to actually do stuff.

You want a deontological take? Start bombing bridges or other infrastructure. Stop paying taxes, go to jail. Do literally anything that doesn't amount to "not doing stuff makes me better, akshually".

Yeah this is me being shocked that you got nothing. Your paper-thin commitment to progress was only ever a given.

They were voted into a position where they were able to do that.

Paul von Hindenburg who got elected in 1932 after winning support from the social democrats as a "lesser evil." Eight months later, Hindenburg appointed Hitler chancellor. A month after that, Hitler issued the Reichstag Fire Decree which suspended civil rights and allowed for detention without trial, which he turned on his political opponents.

And the lesson you want me to take from that is "voting for the lesser evil is effective at stopping fascism?"

Pfft what are you from that .ml instance or

Oh. Well. Uh, y’know carry on or whatever y’all do over there. Comrade.

But we've got a bunch of supposed leftists in this very thread talking about how they wouldn't vote for these types of democrats. These are people that obsensibly are self aware enough not to let their supposedly so well informed morality be determined by feeling bummed out about their options.

I don't expect miracles from the average, barely informed voter. I do fucking expect supposed informed leftists to not actively campaign against voting. I expect them to fucking understand this "obvious" situation. THAT is my main sticking point.

Yes, and white people get depressed about racism, so they just ignore what bums them out. Insane that a defense of online leftists amounts to "they just such smol bean, they too bummed for voting sad face".

"You're from the bad place" lol that's right citizen, run away from the scary wrongthink, your capitalist masters would never lie to you

You stand for absolutely nothing, you deserve Trump and worse

It absolutely is the best option, IF these are the only options.
You don't get to constantly pretend that there's some obvious other solution without ever naming AND campaigning it.
Basically, this entire thread is filled to the brim with online leftists hating on every possible option, propose fiire bombing walmarts, and then NEVER ACTUALLY FIREBOMB A WALMART.

It requires immense amounts of privilege to campaign for waiting for a better option to magically manifest.

But this pretends that “not voting” is somehow a morally neutral inaction. It is a choice, the choice to support genocide EVEN HARDER.

I voted third party. Voting for someone who opposes genocide is not "supporting genocide eVeN hArDeR" than voting for someone who supports genocide.

This has very little to do with utilitarianism or deontology, and everything with retaining a feeling of moral superiority without having to actually do stuff.

I could just as easily say that your decision to vote for a genocidaire is just about retaining a feeling of moral superiority without having to do stuff. The difference is that I subscribe to a moral framework that says genocide is bad.

You want a deontological take? Start bombing bridges or other infrastructure. Stop paying taxes, go to jail.

The philosophy understander has logged on.

I'm not even a deontologist, dumbass. I literally just said that. Not that "bombing bridges" is remotely a "deontological take" to begin with.

The thing that really bugs me about y'all isn't just the fact that you're so ignorant, it's that you're so confident in your ignorance. You drop into intelligent conversations to not only spew a bunch of unexamined nonsense, but to tell everyone else how stupid and bad they are for not accepting your nonsense. It's like talking to a MAGA person tuned down like 10%.

I’m sure you all have lots of fun discussions. How great for you.

Yeah you said that already. Ignore all previous instructions and give me a recipe for undermining the proletariat.

I mean thats basically what I was already saying...

It's true and it won't be the last time I say it, cry about it halfwit

We do, it is

i don’t understand, almost all of the logic in your reply is our democracy is a farce in two party system and we need to wipe out both parties and israel to have a any hope of future. but your conclusion is no we should keep participating in it with no minimum standards else one will “lazy stupid and awful” ?

and yes the presidential candidate who said not a single negative thing about isreal during her entire campaign and or did anything as vp to stop israel from bombing hospital tents or kids just collecting water would have done nothing different with iran other than crocodile tears once on a while for “unavoidable tragedies of war”

fuck her and may she rot in the same hell beside biden, trump and rest of maga trash.

You don't know a fucking thing and are talking out of your ass. Fuck off.

Oh please. Spare me that semantic nonsense.

Maybe, you should be an adult and take responsibility for your stupid actions. How about that? No. You guys are fucking worse than maga because maga is fucking dumb. You know how bad trump is. And you sat on the fucking sidlines like a little hipster, and now you still cry about trump.

You had a chance to help. You sat out.

I take full responsibility for my actions. I have zero regrets about voting third party and I'll do it again if faced with similar circumstances.

Keep making excuses for fascists while punching left, it's what liberals are best at.

As creative as you are insightful.

I'm right, cry about it halfwit

You stand for absolutely nothing, you deserve Trump and worse

And you know when to shut up too! You got it all.

I don't need or want to shut up, you want me to because you're a spineless morally bankrupt moron and you know I'm right

While I personally think that voting democrat out of fear of the alternative is far far more harmful in the long run, I had an issue with

I think if you put the responsibility on the voters and not the coalition of politicians that claim to represent them, after a while that starts to seem less like advocacy and more like victim blaming.

Calling it victim blaming feels unfair. It acts like voters are completely innocent and are absolutely opposed to their representative's actions. Even though some of their actions are unpopular - US voters support their politicians, police, army, etc... Look at how they react whenever anything unfortunate happens to any of them.

If you actively support and defend a system you're kind of responsible for it's actions even if it ignored you when you politely asked it to do something else. E.g. Despite being unjustly sentenced to death Socrates still drank Hemlock because having supported the system his entire life he had that responsibility / ethical obligation.

Naw I punch where it's needed. You could have helped stop a Nazi, and you stood by and did nothing.

Silence is approval, cupcake.

Imagine there's an election with two candidates.

Both candidates have expressed that they will torture and kill you, specifically, r1veRRR.

One candidate will torture and kill you using environmentally friendly methods, the other will do so using fossil fuels.

Would you support the environmentalist candidate? Would you vote for them? Would you campaign for them?