Trump stacked the courts in 2016-2020 already, so that would have been the time to prevent that by voting Dems.

Now anti-trans sentiment is part of an executive order too, which could have been prevented by voting Dems.

How the fuck is “voting against fascism” not on your list of priorities?

And don't patronize me, I'm listening to my trans friends already thanks.

Just because you aren't willing to say it out loud doesn't mean it's not true, dumbass

Its shifting the blame to literally anyone but themselves. The alternative is to admit that theyre not at all the bloody principled geniuses they fancy themselves as.

Yes they do! The Democrats' secret plan is to be so bad at galvanising support so we vote for the Rs, and then the Ds don't even have a lift a finger to destroy democracy. It's ingenious, really. If they actually tried to win elections, they'd win every time, and then the left wing radicals in the party would climb the ranks and push progressive policies. But by losing on purpose, they deflect suspicion and keep the radicals down.

No shit, sherlock. Enjoy ICE and generational debt caused by your trumpet in chief war against Iran you absolute muppet

Hey, they couldn't bring themselves to vote for genocide. Their conscience is clean. That's way more important than choosing a lesser evil.

The two party system is only the issue superficially. Compromises have to be made at different stages. Germany has a multi party system, with the effect that governments have to be formed as coalitions based on compromises. Suddenly the party you voted for because they support renewables starts to support surveillance tech and wants to kick out immigrants. Then they write a coalition agreement that isn't worth the paper it's written on, and let themselves be pushed through their 4 years by right wing media.

Two party systems have their issues, but once a party is elected, they can actually do what they said they would do. Now everyone is shocked trump does exactly that

The same thing - show kindness and understanding instead of attacking you for "letting Trump win."

It would also be great if they made an effort to primary candidates one can vote FOR instead of relying on WBNMW and delaying the inevitable (which, as I said, will likely lead to an even worse Republican presidency.

But getting them to vote third party/not at all doesn't seem possible at the moment... because they don't believe something better is possible. See this reply to my comment as an example.

And you could try reasoning with them, but... haven't you been trying that already? Unfortunately, most people don't go by reason.

Maybe they need to be shown that something better is possible.

They need hope in a better future one can pursue.

We all do.

It would also be great if they made an effort to primary candidates one can vote FOR instead of relying on WBNMW and delaying the inevitable (which, as I said, will likely lead to an even worse Republican presidency.

Centrists ejected David Hogg from the party for trying to do that. The Democratic Party didn't spend a decade sabotaging the primary process, to the point where they now just expect to appoint a centrist and order everyone to vote for them, just to let the left stroll in with candidates people want to vote for.

Maybe they need to be shown that something better is possible.

They know something better is possible. They oppose anything better.

Disclaimer: I'm not american.

For me, major fail from Democrat side was to not acknowledge Biden's mental state, actively hide it as if he's going to run 2nd tern no issues. Kamala was chosen not by people but by a party. She is vice president, no primaries happened, she has to run I guess.

So many things could've been different but they weren't. Bernie should've been president before or after Obama, but here we are. This whole shitfest so called US politics is an open book with pictures and examples of who actually runs this country and for whom rules and laws are written.

I guess I did. Sorry about that!

I'm not sure if I said it before, but I'm talking about the voters, not the party.

You did. I have no faith in the centrist wing of the party. I've talked to too many of them.

And they (voters) have no faith that anything better is possible. Yes, there is likely propaganda at play. Unfortunately, outright telling someone they are under influence of propaganda usually only makes it worse.

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And they (voters) have no faith that anything better is possible.

They have faith that they can prevent anything better from happening. So far they've been right.

The problems with Capitalism run beyond the USA 😉

Give Blackshirts and Reds a read. It's shocking how similar the rise of fascism in Europe is to the rise in the US right now.

Capitalism is the problem. Trump is just a symptom.

@Bytemeister I won't vote for fascist Nazis and anyone who does can go F themselves along with anyone who thinks that's okay, including Bernie, if that offends you, I don't care.

All true. And still, if one is a fucking adult, one can see that the GOP is now, quite literally, a facist party, and the Dems are still orders of magnitude less harmful. Once one is in that voting booth, one votes against the much worse party even if the alternative is still bad. I don't care one criticizes the party up to the election, and swears up and down one didn't vote Dem, or even lies and says they didn't afterwards, one still votes Dem or they are simply demonstrating that they have enough privilege or insulation to ride out a fascist administration without much difficulty.

And trump voters knew how bad he was and decided to support him, i dont think you understand how fucked up in the head trump voters are

Just a little preface, if you say no, then it’s pretty obvious you’re a troll who has no interest in actually discussing stuff...

Gotcha. A pretty firm self admission that you are trolling. Nothing you say from this point forward (or pretty much all the way back to th beginning) has any merit or substance. I won't be wasting anymore time on you.

@Bytemeister I won't vote for fascist Nazis and anyone who does can go F themselves along with anyone who thinks that's okay, including Bernie, if that offends you, I don't care.

Yeah, your crowd decided to help Republicans guarantee more people got killed and tortured.

But you're pretending you have no responsibility for the consequences of your actions because you're such an ideologically pure idealist

You can not be anti genocide and actively assist Republicans in making the genocide worse.

If you genuinely oppose genocide you're obligated to oppose those who want to make it worse, and yet you're helping them

https://www.timesofisrael.com/biden-said-to-claim-18-out-of-19-people-who-work-for-netanyahu-are-liars/

You mean the liar who wanted Trump to win lied?

I am consistent in calling you out for selectively doing whatever helps Republicans

Ok so then if you're the one who cares so much about those millions, why are you actively helping the people who are trying to make their lives worse?

The gall to ignore the deaths of Iranian civilians while saying this

Just admit you prefer to let more innocent people get hurt as long at you can claim your hands are clean. If you can't uphold your purity you would rather let people die

Stop pretending other people are responsible for YOUR choices, you monster

You're just not believable. Everything you say appear crafted to convince people to stop opposing Republicans' acceleration of genocide. You're trying to convince people to stop taking action to oppose evil, to settle for just complaining about it.

You want people to stop taking action and stop making better choices because no choice is pure enough. But instead that makes you responsible when the worst outcomes happen

Are you voting for or getting paid by Trump, Orban, Erdogan or some other autocrat directly or are you doing their bidding just because?

Lmao. So you really just don't know how a coalition based democratic system works?

Objectively wrong

https://israelpalestinetimeline.org/charts/

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/16/us/politics/house-bill-reverse-israel-arms-pause.html

Objectively wrong

BlueMAGA

I'm a German anarchist

Dems are fascist, dumbass

Takes one to know one. Or you're disingenuous. Only the finest vintage dumbassery or a bad faith actor can honestly not see a difference in the trajectory voting out Trump in 2016 would have resulted in.

Are you an LLM

If you're 100% right why did Netanyahu want to get rid of him?

Why has NOT A SINGLE ONE OF YOU responded to this question with anything but insults?

I see you're determined to not give Joe Biden credit for his record.

And that's okay. It's much easier to ignore his support for genocide than to acknowledge you voted for it.

Oh so you were intentionally using partial truths to misleadingly imply that votes couldn't have kept Hitler out of office? Which was the thing I said and the thing you quoted before arguing against it … something else apparently.

if you're trying to stop fascists electorally, you should at least make sure that the person you're electing isn't just going to promote and work with the exact people you're trying to stop.

Agreed, maybe you should have led with that instead.

The Democrats are complicit in many inexcusable things that both parties will continue to do until something changes radically. They are however very much not complicit in trying to get rid of voting and other fascist shit Trump has been pushing relentlessly.

Why should I argue with someone who can't read?

Give it your best shot and try again. Maybe if you get right what I actually wrote I'll continue.