Restructure ICE to deport MAGA.

Yes lol

Since my previous response was removed by mod, I'll come back with a censor.

Ok, [person lacking education], here's the deal.

When people post memes like this, they spread mistrust in the system. They drive down desire to vote, because people believe that voting doesn't matter. "Oh, why vote for the dems if they aren't going to do what I want them to do?" Because the alternative is EXACTLY WHAT YOU DON'T WANT.

[One who has sexual congress with their own mother], do you think the GOP is going to drive down the cost of living? Because we have a very long and fully documented history that says otherwise.

So your options are

A: Vote Blue and at least maybe the cost of living goes down, or option

B: Don't vote, vote red, or vote third party and you get mecha Hitler.

When people say voting doesn't matter, they are conning you. It does, and it comes in two flavors.

First, during primaries, we get people that don't vote at all, and instead of a solid progressive candidate to replace the old guard, the incumbent just sticks around. This drives down the desire to vote even further because everyone is tired of the incumbent that is now the only choice in the general election.

Second, during the general election, they don't come out to vote and the bad guys win.

Do you see my [sexual congress] frustration yet? Are you [sexual congress] getting it? Or are you going to accuse me of moving the [sexual congress] goal posts again? Jesus [sexual congress] Christ, no one thinks more than three hours into the [sexual congress] future. VOTE [sexual congress] BLUE, NO MATTER WHO.

If it isn't your candidate, well, tough [fecal matter]. It's better than a [sexual congress] NAZI, so just eat [fecal matter] and vote. Next time work at the local level, talk to your peers, and try to generate turn-out instead of posting "both sides" memes and talking about how voting doesn't matter. You bet your sweet [mammary glands] it does, Trump is evidence of that. Voting mattered to a lot of people that put that pedophile into office. Just because it didn't go your way doesn't mean it didn't work. I just means [fecal matter] like this [sexual congress] meme are a very potent anti-blue measure.

So, first and foremost, VOTE. In a very, very close second, VOTE BLUE. When [bad people] like OP post things that divide the base and generate malaise, then it drives people away from the polls, and in this case, it drives democrat voters away. It's a very long and hallowed tradition of [other kind of bad people] that want to disrupt the west. If you are old enough to remember just two years ago, you'll see this same pattern when Trump was up for re-election, and two years before that, and before that, and before that... This isn't some new strategy. It's just a very efficient strategy because it spreads virally.

So, please, kindly [sexual congress yourself] you [sexual congress] [person lacking education]. I'm not moving the goal posts, you just lack the ability to understand what's happening. Look at history. Study the patterns. Try to glean some understanding before you make another [uneducated] [sexual congress] comment.

You said positive change/disagreed with them. All it takes

Oh no the bad people might do bad things

I love when the mouth frothing nazi tells me I'm brainwashed by sinister outsiders into thinking nazis are bad

Global warming is going to destroy the planet because people aren't using paper straws

Don't forget the "Bi-partisanship" we needed after Jan 6th. Donald Trump tries to make a coup happen, but what we needed was "Bi-partisanship". Whole Republican Party kept backing Trump's play, and running cover for him, but we needed "Bi-partisanship".

Still pissed about that particular speech even though it has been 6 years.

Meme aside, I'm absolutely voting blue no matter who because

1. Literal fascists are in control of our federal government.

2. There is no viable 3rd party. No 3rd party is seriously trying to be viable. And American citizens aren't taking 3rd parties seriously by voting for them in local/state elections. So there is absolutely no chance of a 3rd party accomplishing anything in the near or even remote future.

I'm not sure if anyone remembers, but none of this crazy shit was happening before January 2025. I'm voting to go back in that direction.

To be clear, I'm totally onboard with reforming the Democrat party by primarying out the bad actors. That's way, way more likely than making a 3rd party viable in the short amount of time we have left before we aren't a democracy anymore.

No.

That's why he didn't run as a democrat.

Because he knew it wouldn't work.

Because liberals hold their constituents to higher standards than conservatives.

"We don't want Genocide Joe, we want Genocide Trump. Now with even more genocide, and in additional countries!!!"

We’re not doing that again.

I dunno. The U.S. is a pretty stupid nation. I could totally see us falling for that bullshit again. You see the fools that are ready to fall for it again all over this platform.

that goes against the "blue no matter who" thing

it was the fucking candidates unwillingness to fucking meet the moment when the voters were incredibly clear about what their standards were.

Know who else was incredibly clear about their intentions?

Donald Trump.

Was I happy Kamala/Biden didn't meet the moment? Fuck no. Did I still vote for them cuz I have brain cells and I knew there was only one other viable alternative that was undeniably worse? Fuck yes.

It isn't just about candidates reaching voters. It's also about voters being responsible enough to do the right thing, even under shitty circumstances.

Dissenters here. Ice isnt the problem, its been around for decades and few paid it any attention.

Blow hard trump is the problem. Hes making ice what it is.

Fuck that, blue are the stupid party. Republicans the evil party. Voting for my dog, god i hope she wins. Belly rubs for all.

It isn’t just about candidates reaching voters. It’s also about voters being responsible enough to do the right thing, even under shitty circumstances.

I just don't know how much we have to beat you over the head with this to get you to understand.

If the above quote represents your understanding or thesis on how voting or elections work, you will continue to lose elections to Republicans on our behalf. You don't get a choice on how voters behave, no matter how much tut-tutting or hand wringing you do.

You have to meet voters where they are at. You do not have another choice. What you are offering is a false equivalence, and is the very reason why Democrats lost to fascists. You don't get a choice.

If I can’t tell the difference

Buddy, if you can't tell the difference between the Republican and Democrat parties you need to get yourself a new pair of eyes and ears and then enroll yourself in some classes to get a better education.

EDIT: Oof. Some low IQ downvotes from hamster brains that don't seem to remember our situation being way less intense before January 2025 and who apparently haven't done their homework to determine the differences between the parties. Keep being ignorant. That's how we got Trump and fascism.

There's nothing wrong with acknowledging a candidate chose a losing strategy but still voting for them because you also acknowledge the opposition is worse. I did the same thing.

Unfortunately, a lot of stupid people were convinced to not vote or vote for a 3rd party with no possibility of winning.

I’m absolutely voting blue no matter who

Well, then you've got a decision to make. Because even Senate Dems aren't voting Dem anymore.

none of this crazy shit was happening before January 2025

You remind me of the Israelis who cannot conceive of a historical moment prior to October 7th, 2023.

Ice isnt the problem

ICE Brutally Dragged This Disabled Woman Out of Her Car. What Happened Next Was Just As Chilling.

The incident occurred just blocks away from where, a week earlier, an ICE agent shot and killed Renee Good. “I constantly wondered if I was going to die,” Rahman said.

After the officers handcuffed her, they lifted her from her hands and her feet and carried her away.

“I do remember facing the ground and feeling pressure on my neck, which, because of my brain injury, was extremely painful for me,” she said.

The viral video ends with Rahman being dragged out and carried away by several officers. What transpired after that wasn’t captured on camera, but Rahman recalled how quickly things unraveled.

“After I was violently dragged from my car, I was put in the back of a car with three federal agents, where they laughed at me and told me this wouldn’t have happened if I was a ‘normal’ human being,” Rahman said.

Rahman was then taken to the Whipple Federal Building, where many people are detained after being swept up by ICE agents. Throughout her detention, Rahman kept reminding the officers that she is autistic and disabled, but no one seemed to care.

“I was repeatedly denied medical care, disability accommodations, and access to a mobility aid when I asked for my cane. Eventually, I insisted that they look for a wheelchair. When they found one and I was placed in it, I was told that my legs must work if I had been driving,” Rahman recalled. No one asked for her ID or proof of citizenship after she was detained, Rahman said, nor was her face scanned.

Rahman eventually fell unconscious, and so does not know what happened next. She knows she was moved to the Hennepin County Medical Center and eventually let go that day.

The Who's A Good Girl Party

So you're saying as a voter I'm supposed to just sit around and wait for a candidate/party to run a perfect campaign while I let my brain rot instead of rubbing some of my brain cells together to acknowledge that one option is better than the other, even if they messed up on the campaign trail?

That sounds pretty stupid and lazy.

Like, do you think election campaigns are the only way to judge a party or candidate? Like there isn't an entire detailed history I can check out to determine what the facts are about that party/candidate?

Yeah, campaigns matter, but voters also have a responsibility and you're trying to absolve them of that responsibility.

Congratulations, you've just invented the Stasi.

Yeah, Obama and Timmy's choice was to bail out Wall Street and let main street take the hit. And they still can't figure out how they lost support in 2010.

Just to be clear - you're upset that the left wouldn't support your pro-genocide candidate, and so your solution is to tell the left to not vote for you in the future?

Explain that logic to me?

Oppose sending tanks into Lebanon?

You guessed it . . . Tankie

Stasi wasn't deporting. Stasi was imprisoning unwanted individuals. E. g. people who wanted to leave westwards.

Yes, in the immediate near term vote blue "no matter who

This is literally all we're saying.

And we're saying it to the droves of idiots that don't seem to understand that you can't just magically vote a 3rd party into power. It will take DECADES of voting for them in local/state elections and building a 3rd party coalition in Congress, before it makes sense to vote 3rd party in a federal election.

Those idiots are ALL OVER THIS PLATFORM. And they, along with the sewer scum non-voters, are the reason Donald Trump is our leader and fascism is alive and well in America.

"guys, by not supporting Mussolini you're just supporting Hitler!

Why can't I defeat fascism?"

"it's the only viable opposition because VBNMW only goes one way!"

If you want left wing votes, you better have left wing candidates. Unless you really like how 2024 turned out, I'd recommend learning that.

Then put a 99% tax on assets over 1 billion. Fuck billionaires, you can't get there without being evil.

But we all know both parties get their pockets lined by the Epstein class and that's why it won't happen.

This is nonsense, as shown by the Dems own post mortem.

But let's pretend it's true. Why then would you have run Kamala?

Golly your solution is great

How the Hillary Clinton campaign deliberately “elevated” Donald Trump with its “pied piper” strategy

Hillary was more afraid of Jeb Bush than anyone else in the GOP field, because she thought she'd lose to him the same way Gore lost to his brother. So she brought in her close friend and mega-donor, Donald J. Trump as a stalking horse who could humiliate Jeb from the right. Trump was more than happy to campaign as a Republican, because he had a chip on his shoulder over Barack Obama sullying the White House with his black ass. So the two conspired to give Hillary a Presidency and Trump a lucrative grifting opportunity.

A vote for Hillary, in the primary, was effectively a vote for Donald to advance to the General.

its still crazy to me how the "low energy" insult wiped out jebs campaign overnight

To where? I guess Russia might want them, can't think who else would. North Korea would take them just for publicity value. I can't think of any other country that would even consider taking a mass arrival of deported magas. I guess they'd learn what it's like to be an unwelcome immigrant.

There’s nothing wrong with acknowledging a candidate chose a losing strategy but still voting for them because you also acknowledge the opposition is worse. I did the same thing.

Saying anything about harris that centrists don't want to hear is regarded as a prima facie confession of being Someone Who Didn't Vote For Genocide Like We Ordered!

Unfortunately, a lot of stupid people were convinced to not vote or vote for a 3rd party with no possibility of winning.

Yeah, the electorate has stupid people in it. It also has people for whom genocide is a dealbreaker. A skilled politician could win them over. Centrists will just shout at them.

Jeb's campaign was powered entirely by his ability to brown nose his mega-donor base of support. It wasn't that "Low Energy Jeb" mortally wounded his campaign. It was that Jeb never had much of a base of support to begin with.

There's a fantastic exchange between Jeb and a constituent in New Hampshire, wherein the constituent bemoans the lack of quality plumbing and the need to rely on individual septic systems across the state. This is due to New Hampshire's hard granite foundation, which is expensive to drill through when laying public works. The constituent asked Jeb how the federal government could assist in improving New Hampshire's public works. Jeb responded that federal money going to New Hampshire public works would have infringed on the libertarian ideology of the state's people and its founders.

At a town hall meeting in Raymond, Bush was asked three times about the small town’s strained septic system. “This is not the problem of the president,” Bush responded playfully. “I’m not going to solve your septic problem tonight, I’m afraid.”

This was on a bus tour he'd dubbed the "Jeb Can Fix It" event. (There's a video archived somewhere, but this was the best reference I could find).

Nobody who was voting actually liked this guy. That's why he came out behind both Kasich and Cruz in the NH primary.

Without Trump running, my money is on Cruz - or maybe Kasich - prevailing in the end.

I think you might have replied to the wrong comment.

Counterpoint: I’ve been doing that exact strategy for 26 years and all I have to show for it is Fetterman

Listen sweater maybe you don't understand how elections work

like that one maga that moved to russia and was immediately drafted

Silly people here having arguments like they exist in a democracy that will change their lives for the better if only smart choices were made.

Fetterman suffered brain damage. You can't hold the strategy hostage because someone got hit in the head.

Yes but he’s all I have to show for it. Literally no one else I voted for in the primary won, and the Democrats almost always lose.

Looks like you got more work to do. Get out and volunteer. Talk to peers. Drum up more enthusiasm about voting. Those bingo playing GOP mummies aren't resting on their laurels, they are telling all their friends at the function how to vote. All the time. Every time. You have to, too.

I’ve been doing as much of that as I can stand.

I think it’s me. Like how computers start working when I pay attention, politics stops working when I participate.

North Korea would take them just for publicity value

There was that soldier who was going to get in trouble in SK, and ran across the DMZ and asked for asylum. NK didn't want him lmao.

At least you're going there and writing in. I'd rather have that than a bunch of "protest voters" who don't actually cast a ballot.