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Marina Sirtis' memories of Troi's non-standard uniform
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Albbi piefed.ca albbi@piefed.ca
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#52 · (edited) Quote Reply

The very last scene in Encounter at Farpoint, Yar is also wearing the minidress uniform, AFAIK it's the only scene with her in it. The camera zooms in from about where it is above into a close-up of Picard, and Denise Crosby very pointedly steps out of shot partway through. I have to wonder if that scene wasn't the first shot actually filmed, if they weren't planning on just, having all the wom...

The very first scene also has a man in the minidress uniform, I guess to show equality.

edit: Oh, this was mentioned a lot further down.

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BrilliantantTurd4361 sh.itjust.works BrilliantantTurd4361@sh.itjust.works
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#53 · (edited) Quote Reply

More like grasping at anything to be progressive. It was transparent at the time, kinda cringey actually. At least ToS focused more on the Greek morality play part, though it had cringe transparent moments too. There's a fine line between exploring ideas and preaching, so I tend to give them some leeway - but damn if TnG didn't rub me the wrong way from the start with the stupid costumes.

The fact that you're triggered by this says a lot.

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qarbone lemmy.world qarbone@lemmy.world
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#54 · Quote Reply

I was starting to forget why I have you tagged "Insufferable Pedant" in Voyager. Thanks for the refresher.

I never use the tag. Anyone annoying enough that I want to remember not to engage with them, I just default to blocking. Do they post good content or something?

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StupidBrotherInLaw lemmy.world StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world
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#55 · (edited) Quote Reply

I never use the tag. Anyone annoying enough that I want to remember not to engage with them, I just default to blocking. Do they post good content or something?

They're just unintentionally funny. I also block most, but instead keep this one and a few others tagged for amusement.

Edit: also for watching their cumulative vote score build over time. They're at -20 as of today.

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SpaceNoodle lemmy.world SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world
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#56 · Quote Reply

I was starting to forget why I have you tagged "Insufferable Pedant" in Voyager. Thanks for the refresher.

Yeah, how dare I ask for clarification.

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socsa piefed.social socsa@piefed.social
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#57 · Quote Reply

"Not just the men, but the women and..."

SHUT UP WESLEY

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socsa piefed.social socsa@piefed.social
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#58 · Quote Reply

"Dress was so short that you could see what I had for breakfast" is such an amazing turn of words

I'm immediately imagining the South Park episode where Paris Hilton sits on the pineapple.

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StupidBrotherInLaw lemmy.world StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world
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#59 · Quote Reply

Yeah, how dare I ask for clarification.

Haha, okay. DARVO much?

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SpaceNoodle lemmy.world SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world
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#60 · Quote Reply

Haha, okay. DARVO much?

Sure, Jan.

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AnUnusualRelic lemmy.world AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world
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#61 · Quote Reply

This guy? Yeah, he was just a freak, the rest of the time they wear it with pants

Wasn't it that episode where the air conditioning was broken?

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hakunawazo lemmy.world hakunawazo@lemmy.world
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#62 · Quote Reply

Smart move. Even by 1989's standards and fashions, some of the costumes they put her in were hideous.

It may be an unpopular opinion, but I think she looked way cooler in uniform.


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Captain Aggravated sh.itjust.works captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works
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#63 · Quote Reply

"Dress was so short that you could see what I had for breakfast" is such an amazing turn of words

Carrie Fisher said of the slave Leia bikini that, because it was rigid, while she was laying against Jabba it rode forward and anyone standing behind her could see "all the way to China." and she opined that's why the actor playing Boba Fett preferred standing back there.

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hakunawazo lemmy.world hakunawazo@lemmy.world
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#64 · (edited) Quote Reply

I mean yeah... It's cold in space.

And it's a long road.

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Taleya aussie.zone Taleya@aussie.zone
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#65 · (edited) Quote Reply

My teenage self had no complaints about Troi's uniforms.

Tf are you still listening to that hormonal idiot, it's been over 30 years

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ruuster13 lemmy.zip ruuster13@lemmy.zip
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#66 · Quote Reply

SHUT UP WESLEY

Wesley: "Did he just tell me to shut up?"

Dr. Crusher: "Shut up Wesley."

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Captain Aggravated sh.itjust.works captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works
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#67 · Quote Reply

It may be an unpopular opinion, but I think she looked way cooler in uniform.

I was just thinking about Troi's season 1 jumpsuit. She wore the "skant" for one episode, then that blue-grey loose fitting jumpsuit with the ruched waist sash for the rest of season one, then the mauve catsuit. That jumpsuit was made of denim, it was honestly the most modest things he wore. We'd call Yar's clingy spandex outfit the scandalous one if it weren't what all the men were also unironically wearing.

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Captain Aggravated sh.itjust.works captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works
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#68 · Quote Reply

Which wasn't helped by Berman.

Oh the short skirts were 100% Gene. Rick is the one with the catsuit fetish. He was the one who decided to shrink wrap Jeri Ryan.

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scarabic lemmy.world scarabic@lemmy.world
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#69 · Quote Reply

Smart move. Even by 1989's standards and fashions, some of the costumes they put her in were hideous.

As a female friend pointed out to me: “and you never see her panty line.”

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Totally Human Emdash User piefed.blahaj.zone totally_human_emdash_user@piefed.blahaj.zone
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#70 · Quote Reply

Tf are you still listening to that hormonal idiot, it's been over 30 years

I have to listen to my teenage self if I want to have any chance of getting him to listen to me!

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scarabic lemmy.world scarabic@lemmy.world
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#71 · Quote Reply

My teenage self had no complaints about Troi's uniforms.

None? He lacked inagination!

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SeductiveTortoise piefed.social SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social
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#72 · Quote Reply

I never use the tag. Anyone annoying enough that I want to remember not to engage with them, I just default to blocking. Do they post good content or something?

Sometimes I want to see others give them shit in the answers. If I block them, those are gone as well.

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Sakurai sh.itjust.works Sakurai@sh.itjust.works
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#73 · Quote Reply

"Not just the men, but the women and..."

Cmdr William T Riker enters the chat

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shutz lemmy.ca shutz@lemmy.ca
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#74 · Quote Reply

Fair take. Trying to include a moral lesson is like walking a tightrope: it's cool when it feels like a natural part of the story or world-building, but it's sooo cringy when it feels like a direct lecture from the writers to you. TNG does get more subtle, but it also does have occasional moments that practically feel like He-Man turning to camera at the end of the show to tell you why drugs ar...

The "drugs are bad" speech from Symbiosis is cringey-funny. But then you get the terrorism conversation from The High Ground that makes you expect another cringe speech, but then it gets really good and controversial, all of a sudden. TNG S3 is the season with the best writing!

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Endymion_Mallorn kbin.melroy.org Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org
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#75 · Quote Reply

Oh the short skirts were 100% Gene. Rick is the one with the catsuit fetish. He was the one who decided to shrink wrap Jeri Ryan.

Yeah. You might have been able to see what Marina was eating for lunch, but she and Denise Crosby didn't need rescue oxygen.

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I Cast Fist programming.dev ICastFist@programming.dev
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#76 · Quote Reply

Carrie Fisher said of the slave Leia bikini that, because it was rigid, while she was laying against Jabba it rode forward and anyone standing behind her could see "all the way to China." and she opined that's why the actor playing Boba Fett preferred standing back there.

Butta Fett

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The Picard Maneuver piefed.world The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world
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#77 · (edited) Quote Reply

The "drugs are bad" speech from Symbiosis is cringey-funny. But then you get the terrorism conversation from The High Ground that makes you expect another cringe speech, but then it gets really good and controversial, all of a sudden. TNG S3 is the season with the best writing!

Yeah, I'll take a handful of eye rolls for seasons and seasons of some of the best TV ever. (I may be a tad biased)

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samus12345 sh.itjust.works samus12345@sh.itjust.works
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#78 · Quote Reply

Based Jellico.

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The Picard Maneuver piefed.world The_Picard_Maneuver@piefed.world
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#79 · Quote Reply

Based Jellico.

I've seen so many meme edits of this scene that I was waiting for the reveal, lol.

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But_my_mom_says_im_cool lemmy.world But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world
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#80 · Quote Reply

This has to be bait. Otherwise congrats on being the 1st person ever I've seen online to prefer Voyager, TOS, Picard, and Disco to TNG.

I thought it was widely accepted that season 1 and 2 were not very good.
And the skirt among other things in the show arw definitely dated and at times sexist.
Im not sure what you guys are defending? lol

I love Star Trek but I don’t pretend some of the crap they have pumped out in the past is gold

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manuallybreathing lemmy.ml manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml
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#81 · Quote Reply

There are far too many people in here with this I didn't have a problem with it kinda energy

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samus12345 sh.itjust.works samus12345@sh.itjust.works
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#82 · Quote Reply

I've seen so many meme edits of this scene that I was waiting for the reveal, lol.

Aw, he should have let her keep that one!

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FlatFootFox lemmy.world FlatFootFox@lemmy.world
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#83 · Quote Reply

Based Jellico.

I still love how Jellico’s changes were all just stealth excuses for cast requests.

That being said, a four shift rotation is absurd.

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BowtiesAreCool lemmy.world BowtiesAreCool@lemmy.world
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#84 · Quote Reply

“Gene Roddenberry’s vision” was usually an upskirt shot.

God I remember reruns of TOS on G4 where they would have like a side panel with counters for things that happened in the episode. “Spock says illogical” “Uhura panty shot”

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psycho_driver lemmy.world psycho_driver@lemmy.world
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#85 · Quote Reply

There are far too many people in here with this I didn't have a problem with it kinda energy

As a 13 or 14 year old boy at the time, I certainly didn't have a problem with it.

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Washedupcynic lemmy.ca Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca
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#86 · Quote Reply

I've seen so many meme edits of this scene that I was waiting for the reveal, lol.

😆 🤣

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wirehead lemmy.world wirehead@lemmy.world
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#87 · Quote Reply

I've posted this before. My head canon is that when a new civilization joins the Federation, they get to pick the new Starfleet uniforms. The Betazeds gave us the TOS miniskirts.

I approve.

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wirehead lemmy.world wirehead@lemmy.world
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#88 · Quote Reply

You're a better man (I assume) than me. My young self very much appreciated Sevens outfit back in the day. Although I have to admit, the episode where she travels back in time to the Voyager in dry dock and wears the science uniform plus a ponytail was also a great look for her.

I don't think I'd categorize that as "better" just pickier about wardrobe?

Then again, at least later on in life I'm a boudoir and fine art photographer so all of that concentrated miniskirt vs catsuit energy went somewhere more positive than ... wherever Berman went with it, LOL.

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teft piefed.social teft@piefed.social
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#89 · Quote Reply

Cmdr William T Riker enters the chat

Guest star. So william didnt get any.

Thomas however…

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Refract lemmy.ca Knoxvomica@lemmy.ca
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#90 · Quote Reply

Yeah, how dare I ask for clarification.

Yeah would be better if she just said she fucked everyone, damn people these days with their lack of clarity. Argh!

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Paranoid Factoid lemmy.world Paranoidfactoid@lemmy.world
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#92 · Quote Reply

In reply to an earlier post

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resipsaloquitur lemmy.world resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world
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resipsaloquitur lemmy.world resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world
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#94 · Quote Reply

In reply to an earlier post

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resipsaloquitur lemmy.world resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world
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#95 · Quote Reply

Could be worse.

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Rakonat lemmy.world Rakonat@lemmy.world
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#96 · Quote Reply

I love Marina but her character was so poorly written that Guinom (Goldberg's character) did Troi's job as counselor better than Troi ever could. Poor woman's entire role in the show was to be tortured and objectified while her character primary love interest shagged his way across the galaxy, Crusher probably got an award for her work during all his alien STDs.

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wirehead lemmy.world wirehead@lemmy.world
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#97 · Quote Reply

God I remember reruns of TOS on G4 where they would have like a side panel with counters for things that happened in the episode. “Spock says illogical” “Uhura panty shot”

I guess the one thing we "missed out on" (I say this sarcastically) is that the teardowns of screen-worn skants indicate that there's kind of a half-underwear thing there.

The way that the TOS uniforms "worked" is that they seem to have just declared the Space Cheerleader Shorts as clothing instead of just underwear in much the same way that actual cheerleaders have and therefore it's totally OK for the ladies to kick or crawl around in such a way to expose the Space Cheerleader Shorts.

And, like ... damn, people. I thought that a fanservice-y 90s anime aimed at teenage boys had a lot of upskirt, then I watched TOS reruns.

But, because it was very quickly relegated to background characters only, we'll never know if the skants were hiding a genuine advance in upskirt technology and only have Marina's word to go on that they probably ... weren't.

Which, well, I think mostly I just wanted to say "genuine advance in upskirt technology" and so therefore I think it's OK that the skants didn't get used more in TNG.

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#98 · Quote Reply

I don't think I'd categorize that as "better" just pickier about wardrobe? Then again, at least later on in life I'm a boudoir and fine art photographer so all of that concentrated miniskirt vs catsuit energy went somewhere more positive than ... wherever Berman went with it, LOL.

That's a low bar if I've ever seen one :D

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teslekova sh.itjust.works teslekova@sh.itjust.works
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#99 · Quote Reply

It may be an unpopular opinion, but I think she looked way cooler in uniform.

It's a popular opinion. She looks WAY better. Hotter, too, which shows how dumb Berman is.

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GreenKnight23 lemmy.world GreenKnight23@lemmy.world
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#100 · Quote Reply

In reply to an earlier post

this user is a notorious troll. so yes. it's probably bait.

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Herbal Gamer sh.itjust.works HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works
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#101 · Quote Reply

Carrie Fisher said of the slave Leia bikini that, because it was rigid, while she was laying against Jabba it rode forward and anyone standing behind her could see "all the way to China." and she opined that's why the actor playing Boba Fett preferred standing back there.

" All the way to Alderaan"

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