Didn't they revamp the uniforms after season one because they were horribly uncomfortable?

They were transitioning from 80s to 90s TV. This isn't like the millionth boring anime series that fans say "gets good after episode 150", it was literally the 2nd try at Trek ever. No one's saying season 1 or 2 is gold (although there are good eps in there), but the first season is like TOS with growing pains. There's a reason it got 7 seasons, and if it'd been a total failure none of the other shows would exist.

If you like Voyager, DS9, and Enterprise there's no way you wouldn't like TNG. Giving up on the entire run because the first couple seasons weren't great after an almost 20 year hiatus from TOS is why your position seems a bit strange.

Problem is this is partially Marina's fault. From her own reaccounting; it was basically her first job. The writers would go to the other actors and ask what they'd like to do in a given episode, or how they'd react to something, basically making the actors part of the script creation.

But Marina told the writers "uh, I don't know. Write me something. That's your job, isn't it?"

By the time she realised she had the power to actually make her character her own, it was already several seasons into TNG and far too late to actually change anything. The writers had long since stopped trying to include her in the writing process.

Hmm... I'll try and find a clip of where she told this story...

Yes, and the moment Diana walked onto the bridge with a medical uniform on she instantly became a lot more hot.

The weird, tacky, revealing clothes she wore on duty were a lot more off putting.

Way cooler, and way more hot. Her "regular" clothes are tacky and off putting.

"Senior Officers get pants?!"

Someone had a crossed wire when they heard "dress uniform."

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IIRC from interviews that the uniforms remained generally uncomfortable. They were very stiff, and led to the famous “Picard Maneuver.” Sirtis’ uniform was changed to get rid of the dated “Cosmic Cheerleader” outfit. IMO her character’s early uniform was more in line with ToS’s making women on the Enterprise more “hot chick” than officer.

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What's going on here?

literally a tunic, usually has a belt

Possibly her best scene was in Enterprise, where during an appointment with Data you see that her PADD says "top beach destinations".

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never

Sorry, I'm confused. Weren't we talking about human language here, or are you using "never" figuratively?

(The quotation marks here are referring to acual quotation of the word you used, not a standard feature of the way the word is normally written or an indicator of some alternate meaning. I'm spelling this out because just in case you're unaware of that usage of quotation marks, which frequently occurs in the context of quoting someone. Unless you're literally asserting that the word "slept" is never quoted, "never" is a strong word to use.)

To be fair tho, Gates told the writers a lot of things and got her ass fired as a result.

Yeah I might not have watched Star Trek at all if they weren't appealing to my male gaze during puberty

Continuing to watch a show that isnt good in the hope it gets better in a few seasons, now Thats strange. It’s also why I won’t watch game of thrones, I know the ending sucks now so what’s the point.
And you’re right, im a TOS fan. I don’t like ds9 and voyager. I like TOS, SNW and similar

Typo. Shite. ^^;

Yeah. That sucked.

So what's your point and how did you meaningfully contribute to the conversation by essentially asking what it means to sleep with someone and then saying you know what it means to sleep with someone, while somehow having an undeserved air of superiority?

Not all of us are prudes.

He just saw what she had for breakfast.

I want the starfleet unisex dress

I think it’s safe to say that Gene liked miniskirts.

It's the pilot or first episode when you watch it on streaming all remastered and high Def and there's scenes where they clearly had trouble position the camera to avoid a tv-ma rating, that original outfit was so short. It's also rough she still had a lot of trauma from basically being used by the industry for sex appeal and noting else. But at least Star Trek had men in the background in the same length mini skirt.

Yeah she had a lot more demand as a performer because she only worked theater beforehand and she knew what her worth was, and people tend to hate that. Shatner did a pretty good BTS doc on TNG and the kind of weird power plays that went on that even Patrick Stewart was occasionally the target of. This period of TV production was a real high pressure environment and people had careers given and broken over pretty minor shit.

They had to give Riker a reason to hate his guts to hell and back. And forcing him to organize and force his staff to do four shift rotations with no justification was pretty brilliant as a motivation.

I had a protein bar

Agreed, the 'sexy' outfits were pretty dumb.

They're being a bit prickly about it, but using quotes like that certainly implied to me as reader that it was meaning a suggestive usage, which doesn't make sense since the plaintext version already means fucking. I mean I understood their meaning and realized they were just unnecessary quotation marks quickly, but I also at first wondered if there was some sort of third meaning beyond rest or sex that was being suggested by the marks, so I kind of feel like the reaction to them here is a bit overblown.

I remember being a bit confused about why everyone other than her had to wear a uniform but she could wear "what she wanted".

Never would have guessed it was Star Trek producers demonstrating very non-Star Trek traits.

It's a serialized 90s show, you don't have to watch the early seasons to understand the later ones. Pick any episode and just watch, as long as it isn't a 2-parter, you'll likely get the gist of what's going on. There are some longer story arcs that do span multiple episodes or even seasons, but the information is more at the "Lore" level than "necessary to understand what's going on in this episode".

Eg, if you knew the back story, you'd have had a better chance at catching the pun in the last sentence. But all you're missing out on is maybe exhaling a bit quicker as you read it and an eye roll.

Hell, if you don't want to watch all the episodes, you might be one of the rare people who might even enjoy the clip episodes and how much they tried to set up an in-universe reason to be showing clips from previous episodes. Like Riker's memory parasite.

I believe that second one is actually from the episode where O'Brian accidentally gets all the normal sized shirts stuck in the transporter buffer so everyone breaks out their night shirts until Data suggests reversing the polarity and running them through the deflector array, after which they just had to send some folk from the lower decks outside to grab and iron them.

That episode also had the subplot where Data's memory banks get slightly corrupted and mix up the Star Fleet Protocol Reference with the Karma Sutra and The Art of War for some humourously awkward moments with Picard, LaForge, and poor Wesley Crusher.

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