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Dbzero has Defederated from Feddit.org following its Governance post about the later's "Zionist Bar Problem"
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null piefed.nullspace.lol null@piefed.nullspace.lol
Joined: 2025-10-14
#52 ·

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What makes it different from just blocking the instance at user-level?

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thirdworldistWMD lemmy.zip thirdworldistWMD@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2026-02-14
#53 · (edited)

Does no one here understand the younger generations access to ideas? Feels an awful lot like "won't somebody think of the children?" All that means is you've closed your eyes to the world around you. It doesn't mean that the world has changed. Avoidance doesn't help. It actually makes things worse because you cede the moral and intellectual territory. Alternatively, you can actually take the fi...
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snooggums piefed.world snooggums@piefed.world
Joined: 2025-07-08
#54 · (edited)

What makes it different from just blocking the instance at user-level?

Defederating also blocks the users on Lemmy. Instance blocking at the user level just blocks the communities in Lemmy, you have to block each user individually.

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Feyd programming.dev Feyd@programming.dev
Joined: 2023-07-20
#55 ·

What makes it different from just blocking the instance at user-level?
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Steve communick.news Steve@communick.news
Joined: 2023-08-05
#56 ·

Youโ€™re right, we should continue listening to the opinions of fascists and Lolita Express passengers until the end of time, otherwise weโ€™ll be blindly bumping into furniture in our echo chamber.

First: your comment appears to be a reply to them not me. I think that's where the confusion came from.

Second: You seem to be conflating listening to ideas with supporting them.

Third: Blocking places with bad ideas doesn't silence the people there or eliminate their ideas. It contributes to their isolation and echo chamber. Often more then yours. You in fact end up helping make them worse. Which of course is worse for everyone.

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LibertyLizard slrpnk.net LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net
Joined: 2023-06-14
#57 ·

Some of the options canโ€™t be discussed on lemmy.world because of rule 1.

Well I don't think that's very effective either but if we can't have a discussion then we'll just have to disagree.

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LibertyLizard slrpnk.net LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net
Joined: 2023-06-14
#58 · (edited)

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Well there are many examples but yes.

Guilt by association is still stupid even if you come up with a different analogy for it.

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TropicalDingdong lemmy.world TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-29
#59 ·

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Man you really beat the fuck out of that strawman.

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TropicalDingdong lemmy.world TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-29
#60 ·

Its not won't somebody think of the children... Its get this shit out of their face. Block it. Thats the beauty of the fediverse. The initial point was that younger generations feed off engagements. You block the conversation and it doesn't exist. Its not a matter of closing your eyes to the world. Its closing the gates to the exact statement I made. Does no one understand how the younger gener...

I get what your saying on an institutional level

Yeah. Is what it is. I don't think feddit is some kind of zionist propaganda machine, although its clear that it hosts plenty of zionists. I'd rather berate, abuse, mock, and contest them in the comments. I have enough respect for the youth to trust their judgement.

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thirdworldistWMD lemmy.zip thirdworldistWMD@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2026-02-14
#61 ·

Man you really beat the fuck out of that strawman.
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Noja sopuli.xyz Noja@sopuli.xyz
Joined: 2025-03-26
#62 ·

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You should read up on the position of germany before making dumb posts like this https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/en/aussenpolitik/regionaleschwerpunkte/nahermittlererosten/middleeastconflict-228366

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agentant (Any/All) lemmy.ml agentant@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2026-01-15
#63 ·

Dang and I just made this account too. Time to find a new instance... Any recommendations? How is lemmy.today? This whole process has looked sus to me. And on top of that, I don't think voting by up/downvoting the post itself is a good way to call votes --- it means a minority can pass a rule without it being even seen by the majority (not sure that matters in this case). Voting should be done ...

I don't see a reason why you should. It's not like the vote didn't happen for good reason. There's no good reason to speak to genocide apologists.

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TropicalDingdong lemmy.world TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-29
#64 ·

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Bruh is so desperate for me to say something I didn't. Bruh go find one of your op friends to fight with.

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๐Ÿ‡ฐ ๐ŸŒ€ ๐Ÿ‡ฑ ๐Ÿ‡ฆ ๐Ÿ‡ณ ๐Ÿ‡ฆ ๐Ÿ‡ฐ ๐Ÿ‡ฎ pawb.social Kolanaki@pawb.social
Joined: 2024-10-06
#65 ·

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davel lemmy.ml davel@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-07-08
#66 ·

Well I don't think that's very effective either but if we can't have a discussion then we'll just have to disagree.

Itโ€™s worked before. If only weโ€™d had more premature antifascists, we might have nipped it in the bud before it enveloped most of Europe and China.

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thirdworldistWMD lemmy.zip thirdworldistWMD@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2026-02-14
#67 ·

Well there are many examples but yes. Guilt by association is still stupid even if you come up with a different analogy for it.
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hanrahan piefed.social hanrahan@piefed.social
Joined: 2025-06-08
#68 ·

This will probably be unpopular but the leftist - liberal infighting is my least favorite part of the fediverse and why I usually end up having to give people a warning before telling them to get on the fediverse. This drama is kind of the epitome of that

I can't think of any "leftist organisations" that support Zionism ? Maybe you're confusing fascist with leftist ?

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hakase lemmy.zip hakase@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-06-11
#69 · (edited)

I don't see a reason why you should. It's not like the vote didn't happen for good reason. There's no good reason to speak to genocide apologists.

Uh oh, if .ml is defending them db0 really is a lost cause.

Edit: Holy tankie brigade, Batman! They've really crawled out of the woodwork for this one!

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thirdworldistWMD lemmy.zip thirdworldistWMD@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2026-02-14
#70 ·

Bruh is so desperate for me to say something I didn't. Bruh go find one of your op friends to fight with.
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mrdown lemmy.world mrdown@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-07-20
#71 ·

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Supporting an supermasist colonial ideology should have no place in the fediverse

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mrdown lemmy.world mrdown@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-07-20
#72 · (edited)

Uh oh, if .ml is defending them db0 really is a lost cause. Edit: Holy tankie brigade, Batman! They've really crawled out of the woodwork for this one!

I am not an ml user and I still defend db0. Now what?

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davel lemmy.ml davel@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-07-08
#73 ·

First: your comment appears to be a reply to them not me. I think that's where the confusion came from. Second: You seem to be conflating listening to ideas with supporting them. Third: Blocking places with bad ideas doesn't silence the people there or eliminate their ideas. It contributes to their isolation and echo chamber. Often more then yours. You in fact end up helping make them worse. Wh...

Second: You seem to be conflating listening to ideas with supporting them.

Weโ€™ve already heard more than enough Zionist & fascist ideas.

Third: Blocking places with bad ideas doesnโ€™t silence the people there or eliminate their ideas. It contributes to their isolation and echo chamber. Often more then yours. You in fact end up helping make them worse. Which of course is worse for everyone.

This echo chamber obsession is silly.

 
Online discourse isnโ€™t going to defeat fascism. Fascism isnโ€™t an ideology. Itโ€™s capitalist crisis management. Itโ€™s capitalism in decay.

Once more let me remind you what fascism is. It need not wear a brown shirt or a green shirt โ€“ it may even wear a dress shirt. Fascism begins the moment a ruling class, fearing the people may use their political democracy to gain economic democracy, begins to destroy political democracy in order to retain its power of exploitation and special privilege.
โ€” Tommy Douglas

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LibertyLizard slrpnk.net LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net
Joined: 2023-06-14
#74 · (edited)

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Depends completely on the impacts of that decision. Zionism is the predominant viewpoint in my country, so if I were to refuse to ever be around them, I would be a complete shut in, which would be counter-productive to my larger political goals. Which include defeating Zionism.

But I don't believe it's true that this instance is full of zionists/nazis. The accusation seems to be that there are some users on it who are zionists.

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mrdown lemmy.world mrdown@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-07-20
#75 ·

You should read up on the position of germany before making dumb posts like this https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/en/aussenpolitik/regionaleschwerpunkte/nahermittlererosten/middleeastconflict-228366

Thry send weapons to israel to maintain the occupation and continue the genocide

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mrdown lemmy.world mrdown@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-07-20
#76 ·

Well there are many examples but yes. Guilt by association is still stupid even if you come up with a different analogy for it.

Like people do with thr ml users?

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LibertyLizard slrpnk.net LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net
Joined: 2023-06-14
#77 · (edited)

Itโ€™s worked before. If only weโ€™d had more premature antifascists, we might have nipped it in the bud before it enveloped most of Europe and China.

What worked was the might of a multiple empires waging total war against one another. I don't think any Lemmings have that power at their disposal.

Of course this only worked after tens of millions of deaths, so it wasn't exactly the ideal solution even then.

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_โ€Œ_ๅใ„ใ˜ใ‚ๆˆฆ้šŠ ani.social AntiBullyRanger@ani.social
Joined: 2025-02-02
#78 ·

  1. Thank you for the shout out Salamence.
  2. You have made it easier to find Fascists to block๐Ÿค
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mrdown lemmy.world mrdown@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-07-20
#79 ·

I've noticed this too and have been following the conversation. However, I think self-isolation isn't the answer. Allowing r/The_Donald to go private didn't stop the far right. What works is challenging these people, constantly. Mockery, abuse, whatever it takes. But building up echo-chambers, or allowing echo-chambers isn't the solution.

We tried they still defending the terrorist statr of Israel. It's like debating neonazis it is useless

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TropicalDingdong lemmy.world TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-29
#80 · (edited)

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Bruh is literally the "I have depicted you as soyjack" meme in real life.

Also, aren't you like an 8 day old sockpuppet? get on your main fam.

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๐Ÿ‡ฐ ๐ŸŒ€ ๐Ÿ‡ฑ ๐Ÿ‡ฆ ๐Ÿ‡ณ ๐Ÿ‡ฆ ๐Ÿ‡ฐ ๐Ÿ‡ฎ pawb.social Kolanaki@pawb.social
Joined: 2024-10-06
#81 ·

Supporting an supermasist colonial ideology should have no place in the fediverse

Exactly. That's why I don't support db0.

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LibertyLizard slrpnk.net LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net
Joined: 2023-06-14
#82 ·

Like people do with thr ml users?

Yeah I would agree with that. However there are a number of ml users who are very deserving of that treatment based on their individual behavior. But insofar as that's used against other random users on the same instance it's probably not appropriate.

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mrdown lemmy.world mrdown@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-07-20
#83 ·

Exactly. That's why I don't support db0.

Db0 do not support zionism the supermasist ideology that resulted the occupation of Palestine

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mrdown lemmy.world mrdown@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-07-20
#84 ·

Yeah I would agree with that. However there are a number of ml users who are very deserving of that treatment based on their individual behavior. But insofar as that's used against other random users on the same instance it's probably not appropriate.

However there are a number of ml users who are very deserving of that treatment based on their individual behavior

Same with feddit.org users

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agentant (Any/All) lemmy.ml agentant@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2026-01-15
#85 ·

Uh oh, if .ml is defending them db0 really is a lost cause. Edit: Holy tankie brigade, Batman! They've really crawled out of the woodwork for this one!

I'm actually a Hexbear user. This is my alt.

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๐Ÿ‡ฐ ๐ŸŒ€ ๐Ÿ‡ฑ ๐Ÿ‡ฆ ๐Ÿ‡ณ ๐Ÿ‡ฆ ๐Ÿ‡ฐ ๐Ÿ‡ฎ pawb.social Kolanaki@pawb.social
Joined: 2024-10-06
#86 · (edited)

Db0 do not support zionism the supermasist ideology that resulted the occupation of Palestine

db0's leadership are libertarians cosplaying as anarchists the way ML's are fascists that cosplay as socialists/communists. They are anti-Zionist in this moment. But they still have shown sympathy for other authoritarian regimes and are very pro-AI.

I mean, if you're just gonna take their word that Feddit is a Zionist bar, you might wanna block MeanwhileonGrad, which they claim to be a nazi bar because it catalogues all the stupid shit they do.

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AntiOutsideAktion lemmy.ml AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-06-26
#87 ·

Its such an empty criticism when they federate with the ml instances.

Because the ml instances support zionism..?

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Salamence lemmy.zip Salamence@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-06-03
#88 ·

Thank you for the shout out Salamence. You have made it easier to find Fascists to block๐Ÿค

glad to be of service catgirl-salute

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_โ€Œ_ๅใ„ใ˜ใ‚ๆˆฆ้šŠ ani.social AntiBullyRanger@ani.social
Joined: 2025-02-02
#89 ·

db0's leadership are libertarians cosplaying as anarchists the way ML's are fascists that cosplay as socialists/communists. They are anti-Zionist in this moment. But they still have shown sympathy for other authoritarian regimes and are very pro-AI. I mean, if you're just gonna take their word that Feddit is a Zionist bar, you might wanna block MeanwhileonGrad, which they claim to be a nazi bar...

I think we found Kolanakiโ€™s sockpuppet.

What do we think chat?

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_โ€Œ_ๅใ„ใ˜ใ‚ๆˆฆ้šŠ ani.social AntiBullyRanger@ani.social
Joined: 2025-02-02
#90 ·

glad to be of service

Now I need the full emoji-pack of this catgirl.

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agentant (Any/All) lemmy.ml agentant@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2026-01-15
#91 ·

db0's leadership are libertarians cosplaying as anarchists the way ML's are fascists that cosplay as socialists/communists. They are anti-Zionist in this moment. But they still have shown sympathy for other authoritarian regimes and are very pro-AI. I mean, if you're just gonna take their word that Feddit is a Zionist bar, you might wanna block MeanwhileonGrad, which they claim to be a nazi bar...

db0โ€™s leadership are libertarians cosplaying as anarchists the way MLโ€™s are fascists that cosplay as socialists/communists.

Me when I just say random shit:

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Salamence lemmy.zip Salamence@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2025-06-03
#92 ·

Now I need the full emoji-pack of this catgirl.

here is it https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/lemmy-emojis/

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_โ€Œ_ๅใ„ใ˜ใ‚ๆˆฆ้šŠ ani.social AntiBullyRanger@ani.social
Joined: 2025-02-02
#93 ·

here is it https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/lemmy-emojis/

mmmm, so I still need to scrape&๐Ÿชž. แšฆks๐Ÿ™‡โ€โ™€๏ธ

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reabsorbthelight lemmy.world reabsorbthelight@lemmy.world
Joined: 2025-12-16
#94 ·

This will probably be unpopular but the leftist - liberal infighting is my least favorite part of the fediverse and why I usually end up having to give people a warning before telling them to get on the fediverse. This drama is kind of the epitome of that

Before Lemmy, I didn't know it was possible to go so left that you hated liberals.

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rushmonke ttrpg.network rushmonke@ttrpg.network
Joined: 2026-02-16
#95 ·

That's pretty weak and other instances shouldn't look up to them for this.

Let people say, and see, what they want.

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davel lemmy.ml davel@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-07-08
#96 ·

Before Lemmy, I didn't know it was possible to go so left that you hated liberals.

Corporate media didnโ€™t want you to be exposed to any ideas outside of the Overton window.

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bdonvr thelemmy.club bdonvr@thelemmy.club
Joined: 2023-06-14
#97 · (edited)

Its such an empty criticism when they federate with the ml instances.

I don't get it. Huh? I find sentiment on .ml extremely anti-Zionist.

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LeninWeave [they] lemmy.ml LeninWeave@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2026-01-05
#98 ·

I'm actually a Hexbear user. This is my alt.

People are going to assume this is a joke, lmao.

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13igTyme piefed.social 13igTyme@piefed.social
Joined: 2025-08-14
#99 ·

db0โ€™s leadership are libertarians cosplaying as anarchists the way MLโ€™s are fascists that cosplay as socialists/communists. Me when I just say random shit:

What they said is completely accurate.

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murmelade lemmy.ml murmelade@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-03-04
#100 · (edited)

Yay anarchists! ๐Ÿ‘
Boo zionists! ๐Ÿ‘Ž

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agentant (Any/All) lemmy.ml agentant@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2026-01-15
#101 ·

People are going to assume this is a joke, lmao.

Yeah to clarify, I wasn't joking. Hexbear is my main instance.

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