ask an anti german what they think of muslims in the middle east :) it'll be the most misanthropic thing you heard all day.
anti germans are disgusting zionists and need to be shunned from leftist places. they are pro-genocide and there is no nuance to it. they are not part of the left, just delusional cosplayers

Ah Shit, here we go again.

declare the perpetrators evil (which they are)

Correct.

and the victims the good guys (hamas are not)

You're wrong, Hamas are in fact "the good guys" in this conflict. The resistance to the genocidal settler state are good even if they don't measure up to whatever arbitrary standard of perfection you have in mind.

One side’s atrocities don’t justify the other side’s. Excusing your own group’s actions because they’re the good guys is far right thinking.

Bullshit framing designed to try to equate between the invading settler state (with overwhelming firepower) and the (often barely adult) native resistance just trying to survive and protect their homes.

In reality there’s more factors to this than just the genocide, and both hamas and israel are the bad guys in their own way. One is just worse than the other, but that doesn’t make the other good.

"Hemming and hawing over genocide is disgusting."

• @seeking_perhaps@mander.xyz

tying the criticism of pissraeli state with antisemitism in general is antisemitic.
"my fellow jewish people must be supportive of a genocidal settler colonial state" is a bad look that'll bite the propagandists in the ass in the future and i feel sorry for the jewish people getting caught ip in that.

Tankie is when you are left to Dick Chaney's children for such people.

I have actually seen some influence agents pushing iran war and israel and such just lately. Usg must be expanding out to lemmy with their bs.

You said supporting Hamas is antisemitic. Why are you crawling back to the word Zionism now?

Allegations of genocide

International recognition

As I said, by treating this as equivalent to the near universally recognized genocide in Gaza, you are engaging in a form of genocide denial. Funny, the map of (the very few) countries that recognize this has a large overlap with the map of countries that do the same form of denial with the Holocaust.

So you did not pass the no-Zionists check on other instances and had to join an instance without it

By fucking german law at that. And they enforce it too. Never again, as defined by nihlists with no soul serving the plutocracy while the far right takes their country from them and fixes elections while they are busy surrendering their people to tech.

Me

[...] people openly supporting Hamas, wearing the red triangle etc. For me it is only natural to fight this form of anti semitism. That makes you a "Zionist" on Lemmy [...]

You

It does not make you a Zionist on Lemmy. You are a Zionist in real life.

Again you

You said supporting Hamas is antisemitic. Why are you crawling back to the word Zionism now?

Me
???

One of them was extremely offended in another thread when I replied to them with "I was just following orders".

people openly supporting Hamas, wearing the red triangle etc. For me it is only natural to fight this form of anti semitism

This is a Zionist defense of Israel by conflating antisemitism with anti-Zionism.

I think they're German, conflating antisemitism with anti-zionism is their favorite excuse for why this genocide will finally be the good one.

Sadly, this meme remains ever relevant.

I see where you are going. Well, how anti Zionism and antisemitism are interconnected is subject to the current scientific debate and I won't start a fundamental discussion on this topic with you. What is important for me in the end is, that I am standing against the left that is openly sympathizing with the Hamas.

You're wrong, Hamas are in fact "the good guys" in this conflict.

Let's agree to disagree there then. I wasn't planning to convince you after all.

That's why I left. Its such a weird authoritarian way of dealing with stuff. Just ban everything and everyone you don't agree with. Also make it a collective punishment while we're at it...

The modern left-right discourse is just so confusing to me.

I've seen authoritarians, supporters of war crimes, and support for terrorism and cruelty, all claimed as leftist positions. I can't reconcile them with what I thought left-wing values were about.

I really think we need something with more dimensions to be popularized. The left-right system is just so loaded at this point. I personally can't identify with either side at all.

Yeah, I absolutely agree. I guess this is one of the reasons these "inter left" discussions are so exhausting.

I have downvoted. You are a zionist defending genocidal pedo murders and your opinion is disregarded. You do not deserve any reply but just to be bullied. Fascist cunt fuck.

Bro shut your fucking zionist mouth up. Nobody likes you and nobody gives a flying fuck about your excuses for the pedo genocidal murder country. Stuff your holes with wrustels and stfu.

You should have been bullied more in school.

"Is genocide bad? Who can say, it's just so complex!"

Sorry, but this is not how you talk to people.

In this particular conflict, Hamas very much are the good guys (if we have to think in such childish terms) in the same way that the allies were the good guys in World War 2 despite the fact they were mostly genocidal empires themselves. Hell, Hamas are far less evil than almost every western government, especially the German one, because they aren't actively supporting mass genocide.

You condemn all groups actually fighting against Isreals genocide. That is just supporting the Genocide with extra steps

We can agree that you oppose resistance to Genocide

You believe it is evil to resist Isreals imperialism. That's Zionism

And standing with the Zionists openly committing genocide

It's very easy to distinguish if you actually act in good faith, which you clearly don't

It's authoritarian to do direct democracy? OK then, I guess words mean nothing anymore.

Now if only the Germans realised that

Zionists barely count as people

🤭 Oh no… here is the catch tho: who supports pedofilia, cannibalism, genocide, rape, murder to innocent people is a not a person.

At best you are a stupid incel brainwashed by your family to love some religious fanatics, at worst you are a low life demon sitting in tel aviv doing propaganda. I do not have respect for demons and I only have pity for kids and dogs.

You are just fucking revolting.

Do you know what the word "allegation" means?

Do you also insist there's a genocide in South Africa?

"If ml says genocide is bad, then I support genocide!"

Literally reactionary.

Is that the word used to describe Trump's pedophilia?

I mean look at ml.

You mean the place constantly flooded by disagreeing liberals? Let's be honest here; by "echo chamber" you just mean "place where my ideology isn't the default"

Go back to Reddit

The mods would ban you if you did that

You’re wrong, Hamas are in fact “the good guys” in this conflict.

The world will be better when humans will be able to escape this manichean thinking.

I mean, if you're just gonna take their word that Feddit is a Zionist bar,

I don't have to take their world. I had enough interactions with feddit.org to know that it is a zionist bar

you might wanna block MeanwhileonGrad

Just because you are anti russia and china doesn't mean you are a good person. The mod is a zionist that defend the zionism supermasist ideology making if as bad as pro russian and china people

If you don't want to engage in a civil discussion, that's alright with me. But if you run out of arguments, just stop commenting?

The vote itself is not. This is not just about this single vote.

Don't bother engaging with the troll, they are clearly not arguing in good faith.

Imagine if words actually had meanings