What's wrong with the term "leftist organization?" Educate, agitate, organize is the common saying, organizing is the fundamental task of leftists.

Resistance to genocide is the correct position to take.

(Alt-)"Left" != Left, and in fact shares far more in common with Right (aka: fascism).

I think they know that, they are using their pro-DPRK account.

This is just linguistic gymnastics, though. Hamas, and the broader Palestinian resistance, is the resistance to genocide. There isn't another, and better groups like the PFLP all work with Hamas, because they are fighting genocide and extermination.

For clarity, stethoscope theory is bullshit based on vibes. Communists support collectivizing production and distribution, and support states where the working classes are in charge, including their right to build up defensive mechanisms to protect the gains of socialism. This is entirely incompatible with the right-wing, who seek to maintain the dominion of capitalism.

Liberalism is supportive of capitalism, leftism begins at anti-capitalism. What did you think the left was before Lemmy?

Can you explain "cult-like behavior?"

“People supporting “Israel”, the Zionist entity enacting genocide on Palestinians, are identical to “People supporting “Russia”, the Fascist entity enacting genocide on Ukranians

So critical that we never ever hear them criticize Russia for it.

"B-b-but my side virtuous (in all ways, and can do no wrong), while their side ignoramus (everything they do is because they are poopy-heads)!"

I wish I could add /s here but a good half the population on earth seems to hold to this as an invariant position, solidarity in the face of all obstacles, i.e. the Nazi bar effect.

Case in point: who doesn't love it when a religious institution offers food and shelter and medical care to the needy, or counsels people to forgive, laying down their burdens and seek therapy to thereby travel lighter through the world? It is the diddling kids part that for some strange reason (/s on this one) people tend to get upset?

Since we were talking about Zionism here, I will mention that Deuteronomy 13:5 (in the Torah, part of the Old Testament for Christian and Muslim and offshoot religious branches such as Mormonism) provides an EXTREMELY stern warning about those who would misuse their authority to lead people astray.

TLDR: intolerance paradox - if you tolerate the intolerant, it corrupts the entire system, giving it a bad reputation when people see the worst excesses and extrapolate that to infer the properties of the whole. e.g. Reddit is fascist, hence we did not stay and put up with it but rather moved here.

Especially since the .ml-ers are mostly Putin bootlickers and authoritarian fans. I hope real anarchists can see that.

Spoken like someone that condemned the ANC as terrorists in the 80's.

"Sure, apartheid is wrong, but the people suffering it and fighting it are the worst" <--- you.

You put the L in Liberal.

Does the NZ in your username stand for NaZi? Fucc off colonizer

I said "equivalent" and "equally valid", if you're going to make an argument based on the exact word used you should at least get it right.

Only difference is that your side is “right”

I literally quoted this sentence where you stated that they were equivalent in my previous reply.

You can come to feddit.org, we have mostly normal people instead of armchair internet warriors lol

There is no genocide in Ukraine. Ukranians are Russians.

accuses me of dodging criticism for making a very specific argument about how treating substantiated and unsubstantiated accusations of genocide as equivalent is a form of genocide denial without addressing the argument at all

Somehow, you don't see the irony.

You're on an instance that is defederated from Hexbear.net and Lemmygrad.ml, though, both fairly popular instances. Why not move to Lemmy.zip, if you oppose defederation?

Notice how the ragebait, communication destroying comments and got'chas are coming from a handful of users in this thread (Cowbee, Riverside, etc.)
Ask yourself why they would want to separate the left and who benefits from that.

Edit: ah and like clockwork, the "I now want to communicate reasonably" spiel. Not falling for that one.

Wow seems like all the bad actors got caught by this.

Notice how the criticisms are based on a fundamental lie: that feddit.org is a zionist instance. Without that lie all of the agitators "arguments" crumble to the sad leftist-dividing dust that they are.

Calling for death to nations (and their civilians) is a call for genocide. I hope non-extremists can see that.

Also, as a tip: don't answer the trolls and agitators. Leave them hanging, screaming into the wind.

The point is to exhaust you down to the point you don't fight back.

Unlike yourself and that other user, who are simply neutral observers? lmao

"Hemming and hawing over genocide is disgusting."

• @seeking_perhaps@mander.xyz

This doesn’t mean I oppose resistance to genocide, this means I have expectations towards resistance groups.

A sentence so steeped in colonial attitudes it's practically tea.

Can you elaborate on how I'm doing "ragebait" or posting "communicatuon destroying comments and got'chas?" I oppose Zionism, I think that's fairly clear.

Response to your edit: I have always done my best to communicate reasonably. What I find happening frequently is when the rare person claims I am being dishonest or not genuine, upon confrontation they simply ignore what I have to say, or answer in a snide half-response like this one.

Response to yet another edit:

Notice how the criticisms are based on a fundamental lie: that feddit.org is a zionist instance. Without that lie all of the agitators “arguments” crumble to the sad leftist-dividing dust that they are.

Feddit.org harbors Zionism at the admin-level. The criticisms are indeed based on the idea that Feddit.org is a Zionist bar, and simply calling that a lie doesn't debunk that.

Calling for death to nations (and their civilians) is a call for genocide. I hope non-extremists can see that.

Also, as a tip: don’t answer the trolls and agitators. Leave them hanging, screaming into the wind.

Equating the state of Israel and its right to exist with preventing genocide of Israelis is Zionism. Calling us trolls, and saying we are doing "ragebait" and "got'chas" while you quite literally are doing that right here and now is peak hypocricy.

Do you support Russia invading Ukraine because it epic pwns NATO?

or

Do you agree Russia is engaging in genocide of Ukrainians, ex. forced relocation of children?

True. But a lot of people on the whole Fediverse seem to be very narrow-minded black-and-white thinkers.

"Black and white thinking" is when you don't like people who defend their defense of genocide by saying "it's the law"?

This “we vs. them” attitude is exactly what’s been criticized about MAGA all of the time, but doing it in this case is perfectly legitimate, somehow. I don’t know what kind of brain gymnastics you’ll have to do to come to a conclusion like this.

"Opposing genocide is the same as being MAGA because of vibes" is really incredible analysis, keep it up.

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Sometimes I wonder if German instances are a social experiment and our reactions are being recorded and analyzed.

Russia is, in fact, enacting genocide in Ukraine.

What Russia is doing:

Tens of thousands of children are being abducted, stripped of their identity, and taught to hate their homeland
https://thewalrus.ca/ukrainian-children/

Definition of Genocide:

Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition

Saying Hamas is antisemitic is sure fire sign of being a Zionist.

Palestinians are a semitic people.

If you want to saw that Hamas hates Jews, well, when your entire life has been being bombed by planes with stars of David on them, while jackbooted thugs with stars of David on their shoulder kick in your door to kidnap your family members in the night, and settlers with star of David necklaces show up and claim your home and land by divine right, I can start to see where you develop feelings toward the people who carry the same sign.

Maybe, just maybe, if Israel wanted the world to be a safer place for Jews they would stop associating a genocide with Judaisim as they are so fucking desperate to do.

This thread in a nutshell, lmao.

People that want a civil discussion on the merits of a philosophy whose base principle is at best ethnic cleansing don't deserve one.

You're like a white northerner demanding a civil discussion on the merits of slavery to a black person in the underground railroad.

Your position is just as disgusting and ludicrous.

What Russia is doing:

Tens of thousands of children are being abducted, stripped of their identity, and taught to hate their homeland
https://thewalrus.ca/ukrainian-children/

Definition of Genocide:

Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition

I don't block anyone.

You are literally the most reasonable communicator on the fediverse, lmao.

Thanks! What's funny is I've seen these "edit responses" before, people don't expect to be questioned on statements they make about others by the people in question, I suppose.

The ICC has an arrest warrant on Putin for these abductions.

Putin has used a ukaz/presidential decree to streamline the process of Ukrainian children being made Russian.

Here's your Independent Journalistic Report:

“It happens, for example, that they go with their parents from the occupied territories through Russia to some third countries. Russians can detain parents, arrest, put them in prison, just take their child to their boarding school. Like, go where you wanted, but your child will stay with us. There are cases when Russians enter a house somewhere in the occupied territory, the child tells them that he lives with his mother, who just went to the store or for water, but they take this child, actually kidnap him, and he finds himself in Russia. I am not talking about the so-called evacuation of children's boarding institutions from the occupied territories to Russia - this is a separate pain, "says Daria Kasyanova.

But sure, keep telling the world it's only Ukrainian propaganda. I'm ending this conversation here to log off, I've got better things to do than deal with a debatebro hexbear user trying to excuse genocide.

• gestures vaguely at an entire western world that is effectively pro Zionist*

Can you explain why Germans have learned absolutely nothing from the Holocaust?

America and Western Europe were more interested in fighting the cold war, so they rehabilitated most of the nazis and put them in charge of everything.

In 1957, 77% of the [West German Justice Ministry's] senior officials were former Nazis, which, according to the study, was a higher proportion that during Hitler's Third Reich government, which existed from 1933 to 1945.

This is only one small example, the practice was widespread in West German as well as NATO generally.

That report also found that 14% of workers in the East German Interior Ministry were former Nazis — a surprising finding, considering the communist government's purportedly rigorous effort to rid itself of former Nazis.

Notice the extreme difference here, between 77% and 14%. Even if East Germany's de-nazification was probably not as thorough as it could and should have been due to practical concerns, it was still nothing like in the West. I'm saying this because I fully expect the "both sides did it" deflection from westerners (which is what the linked article is obviously trying to do in this quote). Notice also "senior officials" vs. "workers".

What do you consider to be an example of “obvious Zionism” on feddit?

Then get banned dude. But don't let them persist in a vacuum.

Everything is a cia color revolution to them.

You're not a leftist.

Already did