This is a community for conservatism. Every other conservative space in the Fediverse has devolved into extremism or bigotry. This will NOT be tolerated. The rules are as such:

1. No racism or ethnosupremacism.
2. No antisemitism (including dogwhistles or using right or left politics to deny it).
3. No misogyny (such as saying women should not vote).
4. No queer-hatred (disagreeing with their lifestyle is not a blank cheque for vitriol or exclusion).
5. No ableism.
6. No ageism.
7. No slurs.
8. No extremism.
9. No personal attacks or strawmen on others (ad-hominens). ARGUE IN GOOD FAITH!
10. No spam.
11. No flood.
12. No trying to find loopholes in the rules.
13. Moderator and the host instance has the final say. Follow the Terms of Service of PieFed and, even if you may disagree with them, the broader Fediverse as a whole.

Edited for accuracy.

I won’t be joining this one, but I wish you good luck — this one seems like it’s gonna be a lot of work to moderate. Hope you manage to create a good space that advances positive ideas.

so far has lacked any right wing spaces.

good

good luck, we can hopefully throw your ideals into the previous attempt to make a swamp !conservative@lemmy.world

that advances positive ideas.

Sorry but conservative ain't about positive ideas

Accidental double reply.

It will definitely attract extremists. I looked at the broader Fediverse blocked instances and ALL OF THEM were banned for things such as bigotry or Nazism. It is unhinged behaviour and unbecoming! These types of communities or instances tends to devolve into circlejerks... I do not intend to let that happen. People may argue 'What about freedom of speech?!' and my answer is simple: 'Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequence.' Do not use that principle to be hateful. It will not be tolerated here.

It can be. For example, I am for conserving things such as the world we live in, conserving fair competition, conserving justice, and conserving traditional values. Do not pollute, do not allow monopolies to form, do not ruin justice, do not be so rigid in tradition we that we refuse to change even harmful 'traditions', and do not destroy the world we all live in for this and our next lives. It is just many uses it as an excuse for vitriol.

Edited to fix spelling error.

"their lifestyle"

And in to the bin with you

Okay? I simply do not believe we should discriminate against the queer community. The reason I said that is because many on the right says, 'I am just disagreeing with their lifestyle!' as an excuse for hatred. I am preemptively striking that down. No excuses for that.

conserving traditional values

What values are those, exactly?

world we live in

It's that really something you want to conserve?

conserving justice

Justice around the world needs to be reformed.

conserving traditional values.

What traditional values? That is a dog whistle for no gay marriage, women in the kitchen,

Do not pollute, do not allow monopolies to form, do not ruin justic.

Those are not conservative policies
policies

do not be so rigid in tradition we that we refuse to change even harmful 'traditions',

Genuinely curious as to what you mean by that?

and do not destroy the world we all live in for this and our next lives.

That is not conservative policy either

The institutional traditions of being a shepherd of this world instead of destroying His creation and uphold justice. That and religion. Regardless, we all live here and if we mess up this world with pollutants, destroy ecosystems, or smash justice as if it means nothing at all... I shudder to think what would happen. We already have caused unfathomable damage by deforestation, throwing mercury in the water that poisons the fish, and hunting entire species to extinction en masse.

Edited to say the damage done to the environment.

You should define your vision of what convervatism is

I will make a separate post in the community later today about it. Thank you for the suggestion!

I think you've confused "conservationism" with "conservatism".

1. Yes. The Earth should not be ruined.
2. I agree justice needs to be preserved, but I mean the principle of justice. Not the current justice system. Fair and speedy trials with the assumption of innocence until proven guilty.
3. How? Tradition does not mean no gay marriage or women in the kitchen. That is backwards thinking and throughout history, many cultures had different traditions. Mine did not treat women like that, so...
4. I mean, it is if you look at figures like Theodore Roosevelt. He was big on antitrust and conservationalism!
5. Slavery and Nazism were some of the most evil things in the world and those were kept in the name of 'tradition'. Some things need to change. It is good those are gone.
6. Kinda is if you follow the orders of Him and shepherd His world. He never said to destroy it... He actually said the opposite.

Edited to add 6.

No. I am a conservationalist AND a conservative. Conservationalism can be a part of conservatism, which means to conserve. The principle is simple: We cannot use the land if we destroy the land and He commanded us to shepherd His world, not destroy it.

Edited because I said conservationalism twice... lol.

I respect your opinion. Have a blessed rest of your day, evening, or night!

Thank you, replaceable fascist #69420, for providing the Fediverse with yet another free public toilet 🖕

I respect your opinion. Have a blessed rest of your day, evening, or night. Just note, we are not Fascists. Fascism is banned in this community as that is extremist.

Edited to add the note.

I may take you up on that if moderation ever gets too difficult for me to handle alone. Much obliged for the offer!

Edited to add I may take you up on the offer.

Heeeeeey I know you!

"Disagreeing with their lifestyle" implies that you admit that queer people have a lifestyle that is not "normal", for people to disagree with it. This is already a discriminating statement.

You do not need to repeat the arguments of fascists to be able to counter them. "No discrimination" on its own is enough to ban any -phobic comment, you don't need to preemptively do anything more.

That's the kind of stuff that makes it look like a clean "front" for a breeding grounds of fascism. Whether or not that's the case, it immediately becomes an implicit attack on queer people and then you end up filtering everyone out except the ones that are fine with attacks on queer people. (Assuming that making a community about conservatism didn't already do that)

It was bound to happen sooner or later. Don’t judge me too harshly.

If you enforce those rules, you won't have any posts.

To be frank, I would rather have no posts than make the world or the Fediverse a worse place. And I quite like the Fediverse... it is one of the best social media networks ever created! I want to improve upon it to the best of my ability. Furthermore, I will enforce basic decency and respect.

Edited to make our standards clearer.

Tradition does not mean no gay marriage or women in the kitchen

But you said:

being a shepherd of this world instead of destroying His creation

You want a theocracy, and that's what you would get. You should be more honest about it.

Not sure if you already know, the Piefed software (and pifed.social site) does maintain a list of default domains they block. It's mostly right leaning/far right type stuff but still, hosting a conservatism community on an instance that censors/blocks a lot of those related links... is certainly a choice.

See https://lemmy.ml/post/47022286/25574741 and rest of the post discussing it.

I've no interest in the community, just letting you know in case you're wondering why certain news site links don't show up there.

1. Yeah. They do. And that is a good thing. Extremism should be banned no matter what it is and hosting on an instance that blocks these things means I chose the correct instance. This community will not be associated with them anyways.
2. Thank you for the information. I will put this to good use of what sources not to use when citing information. I largely use one leftist source, one centrist source, and one rightist source to avoid blindspots. Authenticity and accuracy is ultimately what matters, not an ideological spin.
3. I respect that. Still, really, thank you.

Edited because I originally completely messed up my wording.

I Will be joining and participate. Or at least read. Not because I am a conservative myself, I am not, but because I welcome different ideas from mine when they are declined in a way to accept discussion and not imposition .

Wish you luck...

It is good to have you! Everybody is welcome here. Welcome aboard!

Hilarious. I'll see you in a week when your community is full of Nazis. PieFed is such a trip.

I'll join for the lulz. Godspeed, moderator.

Welcome aboard and thank you!

Nazis are banned in this community as are any other extremists. See you in a week!

Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse : for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. It is not that they are afraid of being convinced. They fear only to appear ridiculous or to prejudice by their embarrassment their hope of winning over some third person to their side.

- Jean-Paul Sartre, Anti-Semite and Jew

Hey, good faith reply here. Conservatism doesn't simply mean "to conserve": it has different, specific political meanings depending on what country or political system you're referring to. Not only that, but plenty of political movements use labels that are more about sounding good than a truly accurate description of what they are. For example, Murray Rothbard deliberately stole the term "libertarian" (for American right-wing "libertarians") from its original connection to anarchism and libertarian socialism.

Also can you clarify your point about "traditional values"? As you said, different cultures and different time periods have had different traditions, so which ones are we conserving? If the answer is "any or all of them", then isn't that the same as "do whatever you like"? If the answer is a specific set of values, why those? That's not meant to be a gotcha, I'm legit interested in where you're coming from.

Thank you for explicitly banning nazis, fascists, and similar groups, along with other forms of bigotry. They are a plague on us all and have no place in any political camp.

“Hey Jimmy! Gimme a conservative community with nothin’!”

Every other conservative space in the Fediverse has devolved into extremism or bigotry.

Why do you think that is?

Good luck.

only good memories, I promise

You have the advantage of me, unfortunately

Is working hard as a software developer for the army to pay the rent a "gay lifestyle"? Asking for a friend.

You say you want a bunch of good stuff, but then you align yourself with a movement that doesn't. That is pure cognitive dissonance

1. Of course! Conservatism is usually a way of life, but there is ideological conservatism too that varies quite a lot.
2. It is a bit more complicated. It means to conserve the ways that your peoples historically had, not a specific universal way.
3. Of course. Hate is never welcome.

Because when you combine the principle of decentralisation with some things, people may advocate for stuff they would never otherwise advocate for.

Much obliged.

It means to conserve the ways that your peoples historically had, not a specific universal way.

So then everyone is essentially trapped in the traditions of the family they were born into? The details here can be complicated: Do children of blended families get to choose from among the cultures of their parents, or what about children in group homes or foster care? Should we not have the freedom to replace or modify the traditions we don't find meaningful, assuming we are not harming anyone else?

I grew up with a sense of resentment towards traditions i grew up with because they were done in a rote, check-the-box way. i saw no meaning in them. maybe a version more relevant to modern times would have given me more to appreciate.

1. No. Nobody is stuck in the traditions they were born into. And mixed couples likely have different traditions and that is fine. The child would have something called culturalgenesis. The combination of both the ways of their parents into a different way. In group homes or foster care, it is up to you to choose what you want to do. And of course we should have the freedom to modify our traditions. Slavery and Nazism were once 'traditions' and those were some of the worst evils known to man. Sometimes tradition needs to change. As for traditions one may no longer find valuable, it is useful to separate the reason for a tradition from the actual practice itself. You can apply the reason for it to many different things, even if you abandon the actual practice because you no longer believe in it. It is your perogative to change your mind or dislike something.
2. Traditions need to be adapted to the modern times. The world has changed. We cannot be as we were in the past. It is about keeping the reason for the tradition intact and basing things on that, not neccessarily about an exact practice.