| Topic Locked | RetroFed Forum Forum Index
» United States | News & Politics
Page 1 of 2 Goto page 1, 2 Next Last » |
| Author | Message | ||
|---|---|---|---|
Salamence
lemmy.zip
Salamence@lemmy.zipJoined: 2025-06-03 |
|
||
| 161 Original | |||
|
Zaktor
sopuli.xyz
Zaktor@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-08-22 |
Tom Morello lives in California, where his vote for president doesn't matter at all, and is literally doing work to promote voting now. It sounds like he's not going to hold it against anyone if they can't stomach voting for Democrats with truly abhorrent policies though. It shouldn't be such a hard bar to pass for them not to push people to that "one last inch". |
||
| 45 | |||
|
heavy
sh.itjust.works
heavy@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2023-06-14 |
I'm sure all those dead Iranian schoolchildren appreciate it. |
||
| 30 | |||
|
AviAdi
suppo.fi
AviAdi@suppo.fi Joined: 2026-09-28 |
Voting doesn't matter. 2nd amendment does |
||
| -16 | |||
|
Honytawk
discuss.tchncs.de
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de Joined: 2026-02-20 |
So, how did that turn out? |
||
| 20 | |||
|
ratjefe
lemmy.today
ratjefe@lemmy.today Joined: 2026-07-04 |
Voting doesn't matter. 2nd amendment does
I wish I understood .... the second amendment has been completely defanged as it was intended for militia groups. since the government is so effective at squashing solidarity at scale, we're left with idiot kids shooting up our schools lone-wolf style ... and that doesn't take into consideration the gap in technological prowess vis a vis the US military. I suppose it's effective propaganda to have such a narrow perspective. |
||
| 16 | |||
|
bowsertattoo
piefed.social
bowsertattoo@piefed.social Joined: 2026-07-20 |
Voting doesn't matter. 2nd amendment does
the second amendment matters for voting |
||
| 1 | |||
|
isleepinahammock
lemmy.blahaj.zone
isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2024-09-06 |
So, how did that turn out?
Quite well, actually. Kamala or Trump winning would have resulted in the exact same outcome in Gaza. The vast majority of the Gaza deaths were during Biden's term. Trump's Gaza policy is "continue all of Biden's policies, but be more performatively cruel about it." So in terms of the actual impact on Gaza, Trump or Kamala winning made no difference at all. However, what has changed is that support for Zionism has become politically radioactive among the Democratic party. This was only possible because Kamala's genocide support cost her the presidency. Her loss delegitimized pro-genocide voices among the Democrats, and the party has moved substantially on the issue. So again, the actual condition on the ground in Gaza hasn't changed, but Trump and Kamala had identical Gaza platforms - full support for genocide. At least with Kamala losing, there are some hopeful signs of optimism for the future. |
||
| 7 | |||
Octavio
piefed.social
Octavio@piefed.socialJoined: 2026-07-27 |
[deleted]
|
||
| -12 | |||
|
some_guy
lemmy.sdf.org
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org Joined: 2023-06-26 |
No shit? The lady who said there must be a peace-fire… [cheers] … for at least six weeks (or some similar bullshit). And didn't let any Palestinians speak at her big party. And told other activists to go to another rally for whatever they were saying. She lost? I wonder why. It's not difficult to meet your voters where they are if you actually listen to them. |
||
| 29 | |||
|
Wataba
sh.itjust.works
Wataba@sh.itjust.works Joined: 2026-02-09 |
Quite well, actually. Kamala or Trump winning would have resulted in the exact same outcome in Gaza. The vast majority of the Gaza deaths were during Biden's term. Trump's Gaza policy is "continue all of Biden's policies, but be more performatively cruel about it." So in terms of the actual impact on Gaza, Trump or Kamala winning made no difference at all. However, what has changed is that supp...
Downvoters cant handle the truth that cutting off rheir nose to spite their face has lasting consequences. |
||
| -4 | |||
|
Zaktor
sopuli.xyz
Zaktor@sopuli.xyz Joined: 2023-08-22 |
So, how did that turn out?
Tom Morello lives in California. His vote for president doesn't matter. |
||
| 15 | |||
|
Tollana1234567
lemmy.today
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today Joined: 2025-06-04 |
[deleted]
|
||
| -2 | |||
Ascrod
midwest.social
Ascrod@midwest.socialJoined: 2023-06-03 |
Quite well, actually. Kamala or Trump winning would have resulted in the exact same outcome in Gaza. The vast majority of the Gaza deaths were during Biden's term. Trump's Gaza policy is "continue all of Biden's policies, but be more performatively cruel about it." So in terms of the actual impact on Gaza, Trump or Kamala winning made no difference at all. However, what has changed is that supp...
No I think Trump has been worse on Gaza than Harris would have been. The cruelty isn't just performative, it has hurt real people. But between the two of them, Gaza was doomed by the bipartisan consensus no matter what. I agree that Trump has made pro-Israel stances absolutely toxic on the left. I don't think that would have happened with Harris in office. But the cost has been incredibly high. |
||
| -5 | |||
Ascrod
midwest.social
Ascrod@midwest.socialJoined: 2023-06-03 |
Voting doesn't matter. 2nd amendment does
Voting stops working when we believe it does. You gonna take on the US military with your bunker ammo stash? Got any anti-tank weaponry down there? |
||
| -2 | |||
Skunk [any]
lemmy.zip
skunk@lemmy.zipJoined: 2026-07-25 |
I'm sure all those dead Iranian schoolchildren appreciate it.
Kamala was talking about building the "most lethal army in the world" and the biden administration was prepping for this war edit: there's something really disgusting about using dead schooldchildren as a zinger... |
||
| 24 | |||
|
AviAdi
suppo.fi
AviAdi@suppo.fi Joined: 2026-09-28 |
Voting stops working when we believe it does. You gonna take on the US military with your bunker ammo stash? Got any anti-tank weaponry down there?
What a silly take. Your not going to fight the US military. You're taking the fight against politicians, do you see any politician protected by the military? |
||
| -3 | |||
Ascrod
midwest.social
Ascrod@midwest.socialJoined: 2023-06-03 |
What a silly take. Your not going to fight the US military. You're taking the fight against politicians, do you see any politician protected by the military?
|
||
| 6 | |||
|
prole
lemmy.blahaj.zone
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2024-06-11 |
Quite well, actually. Kamala or Trump winning would have resulted in the exact same outcome in Gaza. The vast majority of the Gaza deaths were during Biden's term. Trump's Gaza policy is "continue all of Biden's policies, but be more performatively cruel about it." So in terms of the actual impact on Gaza, Trump or Kamala winning made no difference at all. However, what has changed is that supp...
Fucking insane bullshit. There's no way you're actually this stupid so my guess is you have an agenda |
||
| 6 | |||
|
0_o7
lemmy.dbzer0.com
0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2024-12-02 |
Kamala was talking about building the "most lethal army in the world" and the biden administration was prepping for this war edit: there's something really disgusting about using dead schooldchildren as a zinger...
It's a team sports cult. It doesn't matter who they sacrifice. |
||
| 14 | |||
|
isleepinahammock
lemmy.blahaj.zone
isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2024-09-06 |
Kamala or Trump winning would have resulted in the exact same outcome in Gaza. Fucking insane bullshit. There's no way you're actually this stupid so my guess is you have an agenda
Something isn't "insane bullshit" just because it goes against your sports team. The cold hard, unavoidable truth is that the vast majority of the deaths and destruction in Gaza occurred on Biden's watch. Trump just continued Biden's policies, though admittedly with more performative cruelty. |
||
| 8 | |||
|
isleepinahammock
lemmy.blahaj.zone
isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone Joined: 2024-09-06 |
No I think Trump has been worse on Gaza than Harris would have been. The cruelty isn't just performative, it has hurt real people. But between the two of them, Gaza was doomed by the bipartisan consensus no matter what. I agree that Trump has made pro-Israel stances absolutely toxic on the left. I don't think that would have happened with Harris in office. But the cost has been incredibly high.
I really see no evidence that Kamala would have been any better. This seems to be a vibes-based argument. Trump has more evil vibes than Kamala, so therefore he has to be materially worse for Gaza. In practice, both sides give a blank check to the Israelis. Kamala would have given a blank check to Netanyahu while giving speeches calling for peace and reconciliation. Trump gave the same blank check while calling Palestinians subhuman animals. The actual material reality is the same. Trump's just cruder and crueler about it. |
||
| 16 | |||
|
im_fine_sandy
nord.pub
im_fine_sandy@nord.pub Joined: 2026-08-05 |
No shit? The lady who said there must be a peace-fire… [cheers] … for at least six weeks (or some similar bullshit). And didn't let any Palestinians speak at her big party. And told other activists to go to another rally for whatever they were saying. She lost? I wonder why. It's not difficult to meet your voters where they are if you actually listen to them.
I bet the people of Palestine are really glad Kamala wasn't elected. |
||
| -3 | |||
|
im_fine_sandy
nord.pub
im_fine_sandy@nord.pub Joined: 2026-08-05 |
Geez. Another thread awash with election trolls. Do we think these are actual people doing the trolling? |
||
| 5 | |||
|
Geologist
lemmy.zip
Geologist@lemmy.zip Joined: 2024-03-22 |
I bet the people of Palestine are really glad Kamala wasn't elected.
Why would it be any different for them? Israel was getting their bombs delivered either way |
||
| 20 | |||
|
plant
lemmy.dbzer0.com
plant@lemmy.dbzer0.com Joined: 2023-08-18 |
[deleted]
0 posts 20,000 comments year old account |
||
| 6 | |||
TacoButtPlug
sh.itjust.works
TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-07-02 |
0 posts 20,000 comments year old account
at least them openly being lib nazi cunts on this thread lets us see and track them |
||
| 1 | |||
Skunk [any]
lemmy.zip
skunk@lemmy.zipJoined: 2026-07-25 |
I bet the people of Palestine are really glad Kamala wasn't elected.
|
||
| 15 | |||
starman2112
sh.itjust.works
starman2112@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2023-08-10 |
Quite well, actually. Kamala or Trump winning would have resulted in the exact same outcome in Gaza. The vast majority of the Gaza deaths were during Biden's term. Trump's Gaza policy is "continue all of Biden's policies, but be more performatively cruel about it." So in terms of the actual impact on Gaza, Trump or Kamala winning made no difference at all. However, what has changed is that supp...
The biggest difference is that Harris might have been halfway competent about it |
||
| 5 | |||
Amnesigenic
lemmy.ml
Amnesigenic@lemmy.mlJoined: 2025-03-07 |
[deleted]
Cry about it |
||
| -1 | |||
explodicle
sh.itjust.works
explodicle@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2024-04-11 |
Geez. Another thread awash with election trolls. Do we think these are actual people doing the trolling?
Everyone reading this: "obviously he's talking about those other guys" |
||
| 0 | |||
|
im_fine_sandy
nord.pub
im_fine_sandy@nord.pub Joined: 2026-08-05 |
Everyone reading this: "obviously he's talking about those other guys"
No, I'm talking about you. You're an election troll. |
||
| -2 | |||
explodicle
sh.itjust.works
explodicle@sh.itjust.worksJoined: 2024-04-11 |
No, I'm talking about you. You're an election troll.
If I agreed with you, then I'd certainly be a person. |
||
| 3 | |||
Ascrod
midwest.social
Ascrod@midwest.socialJoined: 2023-06-03 |
I really see no evidence that Kamala would have been any better. This seems to be a vibes-based argument. Trump has more evil vibes than Kamala, so therefore he has to be materially worse for Gaza. In practice, both sides give a blank check to the Israelis. Kamala would have given a blank check to Netanyahu while giving speeches calling for peace and reconciliation. Trump gave the same blank ch...
Eh you're right. I was going on vibes there, I concede. |
||
| 6 | |||
|
altphoto
lemmy.today
altphoto@lemmy.today Joined: 2025-04-14 |
And she's a repeat of junk we already used. There's plenty of other people and last names that have yet to be president. |
||
| 4 | |||
|
im_fine_sandy
nord.pub
im_fine_sandy@nord.pub Joined: 2026-08-05 |
If I agreed with you, then I'd certainly be a person.
Correct. Bot farms universally support conservative positions, so it's unlikely our objectives or opinions would ever align. Admittedly, I don't think the threadiverse has enough users to be a target for misinformation from bots. Last cycle we just saw users that had picked up the talking points from bots on other platforms. |
||
| -8 | |||
|
BrainInABox
lemmy.ml
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml Joined: 2024-12-11 |
I bet the people of Palestine are really glad Kamala wasn't elected.
Easy for you to make that bet when you're never going to bother you listen to anything they say to see if you're right |
||
| 6 | |||
|
BrainInABox
lemmy.ml
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml Joined: 2024-12-11 |
I'm sure all those dead Iranian schoolchildren appreciate it.
Its really horrifying watching liberals recalibrate who they consider human in real time based on which administration is murdering them. |
||
| 4 | |||
|
im_fine_sandy
nord.pub
im_fine_sandy@nord.pub Joined: 2026-08-05 |
Easy for you to make that bet when you're never going to bother you listen to anything they say to see if you're right
Its the easiest bet in history. You can't convince me that Palestinians would prefer trump because it's an absurdity. |
||
| -4 | |||
|
BrainInABox
lemmy.ml
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml Joined: 2024-12-11 |
Its the easiest bet in history. You can't convince me that Palestinians would prefer trump because it's an absurdity.
"Palestinians will say what I want them to say!" |
||
| 7 | |||
|
im_fine_sandy
nord.pub
im_fine_sandy@nord.pub Joined: 2026-08-05 |
Why would it be any different for them? Israel was getting their bombs delivered either way
Do you believe trump and Kamala's approach to such things would be equal? |
||
| -4 | |||
|
im_fine_sandy
nord.pub
im_fine_sandy@nord.pub Joined: 2026-08-05 |
"Palestinians will say what I want them to say!"
Nah that's only on .ml mate. |
||
| -5 | |||
|
im_fine_sandy
nord.pub
im_fine_sandy@nord.pub Joined: 2026-08-05 |
If Trump and Kamala are the same for palestinians, then they wouldn't care if you voted for Kamala just to... you know... stave off the authoritarian apocalypse Trump is delivering. |
||
| -2 | |||
|
BrainInABox
lemmy.ml
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml Joined: 2024-12-11 |
Nah that's only on .ml mate.
"I know you are, but what am I!" |
||
| 6 | |||
Skunk [any]
lemmy.zip
skunk@lemmy.zipJoined: 2026-07-25 |
If Trump and Kamala are the same for palestinians, then they wouldn't care if you voted for Kamala just to... you know... stave off the authoritarian apocalypse Trump is delivering.
The point in not voting for Kamala is to put pressure on the democrats to stave off the authoritarian apocalypse they are delivering. It's not just stay at home and do nothing, but make your voice heard. Make sure people know what your demands are, organize with others. The dems are holding Trump as a gun to your heads saying "vote for me or else you'll get Trump" while bombing and killing in your name. And with your vote secured they keep sliding right, trying to appeal to people like the conservatives that aren't voting for them. So counterbalance that. Become part of the class of people they have to appeal to, make them earn their vote. You only get one, don't give it up for free. |
||
| 10 | |||
|
mangobanana
discuss.online
mangobanana@discuss.online Joined: 2026-04-11 |
No shit? The lady who said there must be a peace-fire… [cheers] … for at least six weeks (or some similar bullshit). And didn't let any Palestinians speak at her big party. And told other activists to go to another rally for whatever they were saying. She lost? I wonder why. It's not difficult to meet your voters where they are if you actually listen to them.
The thing is, trump was WORSE for Gaza though but y'all didn't care about that |
||
| -4 | |||
Amnesigenic
lemmy.ml
Amnesigenic@lemmy.mlJoined: 2025-03-07 |
The thing is, trump was WORSE for Gaza though but y'all didn't care about that
Worse how? Be specific |
||
| 2 | |||
|
im_fine_sandy
nord.pub
im_fine_sandy@nord.pub Joined: 2026-08-05 |
The point in not voting for Kamala is to put pressure on the democrats to stave off the authoritarian apocalypse they are delivering. It's not just stay at home and do nothing, but make your voice heard. Make sure people know what your demands are, organize with others. The dems are holding Trump as a gun to your heads saying "vote for me or else you'll get Trump" while bombing and killing in y...
You realise you're doing exactly what conservatives want you to do? They know it's not possible to win your vote, so instead just convince you not to vote, and / or criticise your own side. |
||
| -3 | |||
|
im_fine_sandy
nord.pub
im_fine_sandy@nord.pub Joined: 2026-08-05 |
"I know you are, but what am I!"
Such witty banter were having. |
||
| -3 | |||
|
BrainInABox
lemmy.ml
BrainInABox@lemmy.ml Joined: 2024-12-11 |
Such witty banter were having.
Go back to reddit |
||
| 5 | |||
|
im_fine_sandy
nord.pub
im_fine_sandy@nord.pub Joined: 2026-08-05 |
Go back to reddit
Ooohh epic burn. That kills me. I feel so pathetic and unintelligent now. |
||
| -3 | |||
|
Page 1 of 2
Goto page
1, 2
Next
Last »
Back to top |