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#102 Posted:   Subject: Re: Would you kill bad people using a death note? Would you k... Quote Reply

wait! so what happened after the ring was destroyed??? Is sauron still alive! Will he kill me for not capitilizing his name!!!

Very much so. In fact, I'm not even sure you're you anymore. Who's typing those words?

I'm guessing he lost his ability to take physical form ever again, but I'm unsure.

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Fallibilist
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#103 Posted: · edited   Subject: Re: Would you kill bad people using a death note? Would you k... Quote Reply

the threat needs to be acute. Why? Why is an immediate, obvious threat worse than a slower, veiled one? Assuming both are equally dangerous and inevitable.

We have non lethal ways to deal with the other cases, imprisonment being the obvious, better alternative.

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GreenKnight23
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#104 Posted:   Subject: Re: Would you kill bad people using a death note? Would you k... Quote Reply

why stop with bad people?

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#105 Posted:   Subject: Re: Would you kill bad people using a death note? Would you k... Quote Reply

why stop with bad people?

Gaia has spoken. Noice.

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Hacksaw
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#106 Posted:   Subject: Re: Would you kill bad people using a death note? Would you k... Quote Reply

EDIT: Disregard most all of this as I got my numbers mixed up. I no longer stand by the point I was trying to make. If they make less than $450k USD annually, then they're not in the top 1% of just the US. In order to be part of the global top 1% then they'd need even more than that, likely quite a bit more. Not to make assumptions about someone I don't know but I'd put it at about 1% odds that...

What kind of mathematically illiterate nonsense is that. You think to be in the global 1% takes MORE MONEY than being in the US 1%????

You understand that requires the global average wealth to be HIGHER than the US right?

Besides the top 1% of the 1% (billionaire class) are a lot more problematic than someone who makes 450k/yr.... That's just a good doctor in the west. Plus Forbes publishes a billionaire list.

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Hacksaw
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#107 Posted:   Subject: Re: Would you kill bad people using a death note? Would you k... Quote Reply

People often forget that the Death Note lets you control the person near their death. Have them release a list to the public of their trusted coconspirators.

Have them list their inheritors. Have them say their wealth is cursed and anyone who keeps even a cent will die.

Then write the names of everyone on the list for the next round unless they give up all their wealth.

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Hacksaw
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#108 Posted:   Subject: Re: Would you kill bad people using a death note? Would you k... Quote Reply

We have non lethal ways to deal with the other cases, imprisonment being the obvious, better alternative.

We do not. The billionaires pillage and kill with impunity. Cops and ice kill and pillage with impunity. You're living in a fantasy if you think our system deals with the other cases. Look at the Epstein list.

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Fallibilist
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#109 Posted:   Subject: Re: Would you kill bad people using a death note? Would you k... Quote Reply

We do not. The billionaires pillage and kill with impunity. Cops and ice kill and pillage with impunity. You're living in a fantasy if you think our system deals with the other cases. Look at the Epstein list.

Fixing problems by murdering the groups of people deemed responsible for them has been tried before, and the historical record is not kind to those who tried it. The results were mass atrocity, institutional collapse, and generations of damage rather than any durable solution.

Imprisonment, for all its flaws, at least keeps the process reversible and subject to evidence, appeals, and changing standards of proof. Treating death as the cleaner or more realistic option simply assumes that identifying, selecting, and eliminating “bad people” by the thousands can be done accurately and without creating new incentives for abuse. History suggests the opposite: once the standard becomes “we know who the bad ones are and can just remove them,” the definition of “bad” expands and the mechanisms for restraint disappear.

That is not a world anyone wants to live in.

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MufinMcFlufin
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#110 Posted: · edited   Subject: Re: Would you kill bad people using a death note? Would you k... Quote Reply

What kind of mathematically illiterate nonsense is that. You think to be in the global 1% takes MORE MONEY than being in the US 1%???? You understand that requires the global average wealth to be HIGHER than the US right? Besides the top 1% of the 1% (billionaire class) are a lot more problematic than someone who makes 450k/yr.... That's just a good doctor in the west. Plus Forbes publishes a b...

Thought I had posted a response about it earlier, butit was a mental mixup I had made. I think my mistake came from thinking of the top US 1% as some 3.3 ish million slots on some hypothetical leaderboard then forgetting that when you introduce the rest of the global population the top 1% is going to expand to some 80 million slots instead of remaining the now more exclusive 3.3 million slots at the top.

I'm also not the guy who claimed that offing the entire top 1% would solve most problems. I'd also agree with what you're saying especially after seeing the global statistics in my comment's other reply. If memory serves, according to that link 1 person would need to make more than $68,300 USD annually (after taxes) to be in the top 1% which I'll also whole heatedly agree includes a lot of people who I think both earned that money fairly and are very positive net benefits to society.

I will say I think the intention of the 1% idea was the include more people than just billionaires as there are plenty of multi millionaires who are just as bad off as the billionaires but with less capital, but I also think a lot more thought should be put into any such hypothetical list rather than just looking at raw numbers for net worth, income, etc.

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MufinMcFlufin
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#111 Posted: · edited   Subject: Re: Would you kill bad people using a death note? Would you k... Quote Reply

These were my numbers last time I took the test. Adding my wife's income, and my zero income, we're in the 8%. It take very little to land in the 1%. You have it exactly backwards. Compare yourself against worldwide, as I said. https://www.givingwhatwecan.org/how-rich-am-i

I apparently forgot to reply to this earlier, but I got my numbers mixed up and that's where my misinterpretation came from.

I think my mistake came from thinking of the US top 1% as some 3.3 million ish slots on the list, then forgetting that by adding in the rest of the world wide population the number of slots for people who would qualify would expand out to some 80 million ish slots because that quantity is determined by a set percentage.

I played around with the numbers on that website and it seems like you need to make more than about $68,300 USD annually (after taxes) in order to be considered in the top 1% globally. I'll also agree that (based on my experience where I live) that's just a decent job and not a particularly good one. Because of that I would agree that this person's filter of the top 1% globally easily could include they them-self.

I think I get the idea that they were going for by trying to include more people than the usual "all billionaires" I've seen in these comments, but yeah the specific number they chose seems like it would include hundreds of millions of people who I think likely would still prove a net benefit to society.

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jpreston1986
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#112 Posted:   Subject: Re: Would you kill bad people using a death note? Would you k... Quote Reply

I mean if I had a magic gun that, when fired, put a bullet into the brain of every trump supporter, I'd empty the clip.

So... yeah, I'd use the death note.

plus on billionaires. hoarding ill-gotten capital while buying politicians to ensure you remain at the top is violence. Dismantling institutions for the poor, crafting an america with income inequality at it's worse since the great depression, 70,000 americans die every year due to lack of access to health care. That is violence, perpetrated against us all, by republicans, and by corporate capitalists. They let you rot and melingure in poverty, dying in shame for having nothing, that's akin to torture. A swift death via death note is almost too kind for them.

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Hacksaw
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#113 Posted:   Subject: Re: Would you kill bad people using a death note? Would you k... Quote Reply

Fixing problems by murdering the groups of people deemed responsible for them has been tried before, and the historical record is not kind to those who tried it. The results were mass atrocity, institutional collapse, and generations of damage rather than any durable solution. Imprisonment, for all its flaws, at least keeps the process reversible and subject to evidence, appeals, and changing s...

That doesn't address the fact that there are no functioning mechanisms to implement justice against those who harm us by hoarding pillaging and staking from us to amass incomprehensibly vast wealth.

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BigBoyShuanzee
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#114 Posted: · edited   Subject: Re: Would you kill bad people using a death note? Would you k... Quote Reply

I've already thought about all the names of specific leaders and billionaires I'd write down in that book, close it up and go to sleep with a smile on my face.

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Fallibilist
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#115 Posted:   Subject: Re: Would you kill bad people using a death note? Would you k... Quote Reply

That doesn't address the fact that there are no functioning mechanisms to implement justice against those who harm us by hoarding pillaging and staking from us to amass incomprehensibly vast wealth.

Then what system decides who gets to live and who gets murdered? Social media polls? Random Luigis? Mobs going door to door in wealthy neighbourhoods? Arbitrary wealth limit?

Do we start by lining up every current and ex cop, ICE agent, FBI employee and such and just let a firing squad go at it? What about the children of billionaires? Into the woodchipper as well? Maybe also livestream that online as a warning for any future rich person.

I just can't comprehend how what you're suggesting doesn't immediately fail any reality test you put it through.

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Hacksaw
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#116 Posted:   Subject: Re: Would you kill bad people using a death note? Would you k... Quote Reply

Then what system decides who gets to live and who gets murdered? Social media polls? Random Luigis? Mobs going door to door in wealthy neighbourhoods? Arbitrary wealth limit? Do we start by lining up every current and ex cop, ICE agent, FBI employee and such and just let a firing squad go at it? What about the children of billionaires? Into the woodchipper as well? Maybe also livestream that on...

By the fact that I have a death note.... This is a hypothetical scenario where the person who answers has a death note. That's the system. Did you read the thread? You said you wouldn't use the death note on billionaires and "non acute" threats because we already have systems to deal with it? But there is no actual system because billionaires don't get imprisoned or punished for their crimes including raping kids at Epstein's. Sounds really unethical for you not to. I guess you're one of the "I would never pull the lever" people in the trolley problem.

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HeHoXa
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#117 Posted: · edited   Subject: Re: Would you kill bad people using a death note? Would you k... Quote Reply

I would use it. But I wouldn't use it against regular people who are in jail, they are serving their time for their actions. I would use it against those who have the resources to avoid jail time.

Then I would use you to kill my business rivals by publicizing convincing but fabricated evidence against them and making it look like they boight their way out of consequences when courts rightly shot the case down.

(For what it's worth, I feel the same and would probably make the same call. Just for the philosophy of it, there are reasonable arguments against the stance.)

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shalafi
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#118 Posted:   Subject: Re: Would you kill bad people using a death note? Would you k... Quote Reply

I apparently forgot to reply to this earlier, but I got my numbers mixed up and that's where my misinterpretation came from. I think my mistake came from thinking of the US top 1% as some 3.3 million ish slots on the list, then forgetting that by adding in the rest of the world wide population the number of slots for people who would qualify would expand out to some 80 million ish slots because...

I was making $70K when I first saw that site which is why I remembered being in the top 1%. Marrying a Filipino really opened my eyes. Their min wage (varies a bit by occupation and state) is about $12 a day.

I'm RICH BEYOCH! (Well, not now. Haven't had a decent job in 2 years, none now.)

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slazer2au
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#119 Posted:   Subject: Re: Would you kill bad people using a death note? Would you k... Quote Reply

Then I would use you to kill my business rivals by publicizing convincing but fabricated evidence against them and making it look like they boight their way out of consequences when courts rightly shot the case down. (For what it's worth, I feel the same and would probably make the same call. Just for the philosophy of it, there are reasonable arguments against the stance.)

Why would you need to fabricate evidence? Make them actually do bad shit before they die.

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HeHoXa
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#120 Posted: · edited   Subject: Re: Would you kill bad people using a death note? Would you k... Quote Reply

Why would you need to fabricate evidence? Make them actually do bad shit before they die.

I'm saying in the scenario where I don't have the death note but live in a world where the corrupt powerful keep dropping dead when their corruption is publicized, that a person with good intentions can be tricked into doing bad things.

There are reasonable philosophies that would say something like, "Even a court shouldn't decide who should die because of the gravity of making a mistake." Then that's compounded for an individual, added to the problem that they weren't accountable to anyone else in the society on where the line is in the first place.

That said, it's a hell of an opportunity to pass up, and I thunk it might be more evil to pass on the chance than to fuck up along the way. That said, I'd decide the set I needed to write in advance, then the last name would be my own with instructions to deliver a public confession and apology, because that's just the kind of gravity we're dealing with and the only way to accept accountability.

Hell... I'd have to very seriously consider just writing the name of EVERY legacy economic or political powerhouse everywhere, wipe whole bloodlines off the map so the money doesn't have anywhere to go but back into the nation, and see if society can heal with the reset. That seems well into obvious supervillain territory, and I don't think my life would be nearly enough to atone for it, but it'd be cathartic as fuck.

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