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Cellery quokk.au Cellery@quokk.au
Joined: 2026-09-30
#52 ·

.world has its own issues, but people usually talk about the tankie triad, referring to the three instances I mentioned.

Tankies or Nazis. You can have one or both.

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Eldritch piefed.world Eldritch@piefed.world
Joined: 2025-07-08
#53 ·

.world has its own issues, but people usually talk about the tankie triad, referring to the three instances I mentioned.

.world hasn't universally blocked piracy. As with many things there are nuance. That and piefed.world is kind of neglected lol. But I can browse the piracy communities just fine generally. But compared to LW PW is a blip statistically. If someone were going to notice such comms being available on one of their services. Lemmy would be the one. As such, I understand them doing it. It sucks. But it would be a very attractive target.

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flamingos-cant (hopepunk arc) feddit.uk flamingos@feddit.uk
Joined: 2023-06-12
#54 ·

The admins also removed a post from my own community because the post cites TheDailyMail and that is not a “reliable source” despite the headline being completely verified including a link to the UK government report itself. Might as well introduce MBFC next.

No they didn't, I removed that post from !unitedkingdom@feddit.uk. You also didn't link to a report, you linked to a post by the Institute for Jewish Policy Research that neither corroborated the Daily Mail headline and isn't a UK government body, it's a think tank based in London. The closest that post says to the headline is "One in four parents reported their children experienced antisemitism when attending school".

And not believing the Daily Mail to be a reliable source isn't introducing MBFC, it's common sense. Though given how much of your news you clearly get from Twitter, I can see why this is hard for you to grasp.

And here is an even more extensive debunk of the report found on the “ultra radically left” /s Hasan Piker subreddit

A screenshot of Reddit post that itself is a screenshot of a Twitter post. It is right (grab the spreadsheet from here), but you should really try for better sources.

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Malica lemmy.zip Malica@lemmy.zip
Joined: 2026-08-27
#55 ·

AI slop, sadly

Good message regardless.

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geneva_convenience thelemmy.club geneva_convenience@thelemmy.club
Joined: 2026-05-05
#56 · (edited)

The admins also removed a post from my own community because the post cites TheDailyMail and that is not a “reliable source” despite the headline being completely verified including a link to the UK government report itself. Might as well introduce MBFC next. No they didn't, I removed that post from !unitedkingdom@feddit.uk. You also didn't link to a report, you linked to a post by the Institut...

Thank you for the clarification. I will remove that part from my post as is incorrect. Also I did respond to a comment (of I believe you yourself?) with the link to the study.

My post is still correct. As is the Reddit post. And I'm not sure why you're talking as if the BBC and TheGuardian are any more reliable sources than the Daily Mail while they're putting out Zionist propaganda slop blitzes every day And then they have to be debunked by people on Twitter and Reddit because major UK newspapers cannot do basic due dilligence. And then you're here telling me I don't know where to get my news from?

Here is MEE having to lay out how completely fraudulent the UK government report was they used an incredibly low sample size of 70 Jewish students, on which they used the IHRA definition to conflate Zionism and antisemitism, and then mythically increased 41% to 70% because ????

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flamingos-cant (hopepunk arc) feddit.uk flamingos@feddit.uk
Joined: 2023-06-12
#57 ·

Thank you for the clarification. I will remove that part from my post as is incorrect. Also I did respond to a comment (of I believe you yourself?) with the link to the study. My post is still correct. As is the Reddit post. And I'm not sure why you're talking as if the BBC and TheGuardian are any more reliable sources than the Daily Mail while they're putting out Zionist propaganda slop blitze...

Also I did respond to a comment (of Ibelieve you yourself?) with the link to the study and the link to it

Not me, someone who's since deleted their account. You also linked the Daily Mail article not the report.

My post is still correct. As is the Reddit post.

How are we suppose to know that? It's a screenshot and you never link to the original. Verifying that Reddit screenshot took quite some work on my part and I think it's the posters responsibility to bring the evidence, not the mods to find and verify it.

And I’m not sure why you’re talking as if the BBC and TheGuardian are any more reliable sources than the Daily Main while they’re putting out Zionist propaganda slop blitzes every day which then have to be debunked by people on Twitter and Reddit because major UK newspapers cannot do basic due dilligence. And then you’re here telling me I don’t know where to get my news from?

I'm a trans person living in Britain, you'll hear no love for the Guardian or BBC from me. But the Daily Mail is still significantly worse than both of them. Just because we sometimes have to get our information from bad sources doesn't mean we should lower our standards to the Mariana Trench.

I also need to emphasis that Twitter is not a place you should be getting your news from (or be on at all for that matter). It amplifies far-right accounts and studies have shown it makes you more right wing. Frankly I don't think we allow stuff from there at all.

Here is MEE having to lay out how completely fraudulent the UK government report was they used an incredibly low sample size of 70

I never defended the report, I don't know why you're making it out like I have. I agree that 70 is a piss poor sample size to draw conclusions from.

on which they used the IHRA definition to conflate Zionism and antisemitism

No? It was self-reported. The students may be conflating criticism of Israel with antisemitism, but the survey just asks if they've experienced or witnessed antisemitism and takes them at their word.

then mythically increased 41% to 70%

I think you mean 60%?

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geneva_convenience thelemmy.club geneva_convenience@thelemmy.club
Joined: 2026-05-05
#58 · (edited)

Also I did respond to a comment (of Ibelieve you yourself?) with the link to the study and the link to it Not me, someone who's since deleted their account. You also linked the Daily Mail article not the report. My post is still correct. As is the Reddit post. How are we suppose to know that? It's a screenshot and you never link to the original. Verifying that Reddit screenshot took quite some ...

I really thought I linked the original study but if I didn't then my bad though I can't check well since my other account is gone and navigating deleted comments is too clunky for me so I'll just concede this one.

As or the rest I'm using the MEE article I trust them to have better read the report but they are putting lines in quote marks so I assume they did I'll quote relevant article lines below

No? It was self-reported.

"The Bell review used the IHRA definition of antisemitism, according to its published terms of reference."

I think you mean 60%?

Yes my bad typo

"Of the 92 Jewish students, 70 of them responded to a question about whether they have personally experienced or witnessed antisemitism. Twenty-nine Jewish students said they had experienced antisemitism, which equalled 41 percent of the Jewish respondents, not three in five, which would be 60 percent."

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chloroken lemmy.ml chloroken@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-11-15
#59 ·

When the .ml admins clap me for being too mean and Westoid, remind me to not snake off to .db0 and write the world's cringiest post.

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chloroken lemmy.ml chloroken@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-11-15
#60 ·

Oh their main community is named after people who glaze mass murder and serial rape. Well I guess that's fine then. But remember that one edgy tweet Bad Empanada made once? Bad Empanara isn't even mentioned in the post. But you did imagine him into there. Great job! Sure mate. You are actually the primary advocate for Palestine. You are the one doing great work by speech policing the movement. ...

Your sheer arrogance and hypocrisy is off the charts

lol fam that's you.

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geneva_convenience thelemmy.club geneva_convenience@thelemmy.club
Joined: 2026-05-05
#61 ·

When the .ml admins clap me for being too mean and Westoid, remind me to not snake off to .db0 and write the world's cringiest post.

Reading comprehension is difficult but when you think opposing Eurocentricism is being a Westoid you've completely lost the plot. Anything to keep larping as a Commie I guess.

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flamingos-cant (hopepunk arc) feddit.uk flamingos@feddit.uk
Joined: 2023-06-12
#62 ·

I really thought I linked the original study but if I didn't then my bad though I can't check well since my other account is gone and navigating deleted comments is too clunky for me so I'll just concede this one. As or the rest I'm using the MEE article I trust them to have better read the report but they are putting lines in quote marks so I assume they did I'll quote relevant article lines b...

I think you're getting two things muddled up here:

  • The report does say to use the IHRA definition for antisemitism
  • The UCAS survey where the 'three in five' figure is from just asks students if they've witnessed or experienced antisemitism, it does not enforce any definition of antisemitism
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L3ft_F13ld! lemmy.dbzer0.com reseller_pledge609@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-11-07
#63 ·

.world hasn't universally blocked piracy. As with many things there are nuance. That and piefed.world is kind of neglected lol. But I can browse the piracy communities just fine generally. But compared to LW PW is a blip statistically. If someone were going to notice such comms being available on one of their services. Lemmy would be the one. As such, I understand them doing it. It sucks. But i...

Did you reply to the wrong comment? We weren't discussing the piracy communities in this comment thread.

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degen midwest.social degen@midwest.social
Joined: 2023-06-15
#64 ·

Huh, I've seen "Zionism is good" + antisemitism and "Zionism is bad" + antisemitism, but never "Zionism is racism" + antisemitism before

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SparroHawc piefed.world SparroHawc@piefed.world
Joined: 2026-04-08
#65 ·

Zionism and Judaism are not the same thing but it's not relevant for Palestinians and the conversation shouldn't be focused around it. The reason the Zionism is Racism motion was so impactful is because it shifted the debate of what Zionism isn't into the debate of what Zionism is.

Saying "Zionism is not Judaism" is important is because so much of the Zionist rhetoric is about anti-Zionism being antisemitism, which it blatantly is not. It's denying the primary arguing point of Zionists trying to shut down criticism.

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goferking (he/him) lemmy.sdf.org goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org
Joined: 2023-08-03
#66 ·

Yeah, .ml has deliberately unclear rules, allowing mods to ban anyone who disagrees with them for vague reasons, or no reason at all. Anyone disrupting the echo chamber is liable for a banhammerin'. It is pretty funny how they can't even run an online community without censorship and bans, though!

allowing mods to ban anyone who disagrees with them for vague reasons, or no reason at all. Anyone disrupting the echo chamber is liable for a banhammerin'.

You know you're describing lemmy world and piefed social more than ml?

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OBJECTION! lemmy.ml Objection@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-04-30
#67 ·

Damn, only three days. I was hoping they got rid of you for good.

I will repeat the phrase that caused you to label me a "genocidal Zionist liberal" and block me, so that you can block me on this account too.

"I completely condemn the genocidal, apartheid state of Israel. I don't have a problem with Jews existing."

You're just here to pick fights with everyone, while pretending like you care at all about Palestinians to try to give yourself a blank check for your shitty behavior. If only you read actual theory instead of watching some dumbass youtuber's controversy bait.

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southsamurai (he/him/pronoun agnostic) sh.itjust.works southsamurai@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-19
#68 ·

Now that I have your attention, here's what actual real Palestinians have to say instead of Western people put on a pedestal: The Antisemitism Nobody Wants to Explain Every Palestinian who attempts to accurately describe their experience — an experience of stolen homes, imprisoned and tortured family members, and besieged cities — is forced to make a very important decision: Do they name who di...

Just because it comes up sometimes, the down vote is for beating your pulpit here, which isn't the point of the community. There's plenty of places to do so.

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OBJECTION! lemmy.ml Objection@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-04-30
#69 · (edited)

Yeah, .ml has deliberately unclear rules, allowing mods to ban anyone who disagrees with them for vague reasons, or no reason at all. Anyone disrupting the echo chamber is liable for a banhammerin'. It is pretty funny how they can't even run an online community without censorship and bans, though!

Your instance has censorship and bans too, and also, just two weeks ago I saw people criticize .ml for not banning this exact user.

It doesn't matter what we do or don't do, y'all will always find a reason to shit on us.

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southsamurai (he/him/pronoun agnostic) sh.itjust.works southsamurai@sh.itjust.works
Joined: 2023-06-19
#70 ·

Ydi

It's a known rule, you broke it, and it's only a 3 day ban. For a temp ban to be PTB, it has to be egregious, and this wasn't.

It wound likely help you in the future to be certain of community rules before engaging on hot button topics, no matter what stance you're espousing.

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OBJECTION! lemmy.ml Objection@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-04-30
#71 · (edited)

I mean, Zionism is the advocacy of an ethnostate, so yes obviously it’s racism? It’s asserting (a very particular flavor of) Jewish supremacy, specifically with the intent of eliminating Palestinians. The comment itself might be seen as splitting hairs but to ban over that is silly. This is ML though, and getting into the weeds over words turns into a massive spiral in leftist spaces as it is. ...

He wasn't banned for saying Zionism is racism, the mods on .ml agree with that part completely.

It was the part where he was strongly critical of distinguishing Zionism from Judaism, going so far to call that "Hasbara slop," when the reality is that Zionists are constantly trying to equate the two. He hates it when people distinguish the two because he wants to use the genocide of Gaza as an excuse to be an edgelord and adopt antisemitic positions.

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OBJECTION! lemmy.ml Objection@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-04-30
#72 · (edited)

Oh the irony. I truly believe you have them all blocked. Because this is not their main account. Their main account was @geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml . But this is a good lesson on the problems of the state. It will persecute you for random capricious and vindictive reasons whether or not you are right or wrong. Especially the more micromanaged and centralized it is run. It becomes the leadershi...

It will persecute you for random capricious and vindictive reasons whether or not you are right or wrong.

Calling a three day ban "persecution" is beyond parody (not to mention comparing an instance to a state), and it's not for "random capricious and vindictive reasons" it's because the user is an edgelord who edged too close to antisemitism.

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goferking (he/him) lemmy.sdf.org goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org
Joined: 2023-08-03
#73 ·

YDI. OP regularly posts sketchy article about "jews", conflates judaism with zionism, etc. It's a pattern. Otherwise I like OP's posts so the bad jewish stuff sticks out.

The removed comment was also very bad apart from the "zionism is racism", which also felt thrown in at the end precisely to be able to make the claim that was the only reason for removal.

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goferking (he/him) lemmy.sdf.org goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org
Joined: 2023-08-03
#74 ·

Your instance has censorship and bans too, and also, just two weeks ago I saw people criticize .ml for not banning this exact user. It doesn't matter what we do or don't do, y'all will always find a reason to shit on us.

That user is extremely pro censorship, as long as it's against what America determines is an enemy

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Tollana1234567 lemmy.today Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
Joined: 2025-06-04
#75 · (edited)

You're better off just blocking the lemmy triad. Your mental health will thank you.

i learned recently dbzero and blahaj is also super problematic too. no rhyme or reason for a ban, not even linking to original posts. for dbzero, they just CROSSBAnned people. and the startrek website instance too,.

blahaj wants a holier than thou type instance, which is sad, and not helping trans people at all.(thier instances is just memes, almost too sexual sometimes.

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Tollana1234567 lemmy.today Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
Joined: 2025-06-04
#76 ·

Hexbear is widely defederated, you'll find it on the blocklist of many big instances. Much of it is from years ago, back when reddit made their API changes and there was a large amount of activity in the lemmy fediverse along with a bug where their emojis were being rendered HUGE for everyone else, and their culture of the time of posting scandalous pictures and emojis were basically being shou...

hexbear is mildier than the other 2, but they get annoying when you point things out to them that agrees with thier "cause".

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Tollana1234567 lemmy.today Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
Joined: 2025-06-04
#77 · (edited)

Not .world? That’s like all USA Feds lol

.world is fine, except for the politics, and any anti-zionist comments in thier politics communities. they dint like how i(in an older account pointed out how much boost they got from jewish actors like seinfeld, and censoring universities. for thier propaganda)

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Tollana1234567 lemmy.today Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
Joined: 2025-06-04
#78 ·

Blocked select world communities only to force me to remember that there are better alternatives. Like I try not to post to world's cats anymore, and instead post to cats@shitjustworks. World is too big and reminds of Reddit. Also lol for not being able to talk about piracy.

.world politics is fully blocked, the others is fine though.

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Tollana1234567 lemmy.today Tollana1234567@lemmy.today
Joined: 2025-06-04
#79 ·

I am reminded of this sign. Edit: That's funny, I just followed the link to the post and it's about this very sign. Derp.

too bad most of christianity is pretty much linked with racism as far as history go, the true practitioners are such a small minority now.

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Feathercrown lemmy.world Feathercrown@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-06
#80 ·

Tankies or Nazis. You can have one or both.

None for me thx

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remon ani.social remon@ani.social
Joined: 2024-09-25
#81 ·

I'm punching far to the right here mate. This is Labour vs Corbyn tier stuff.

Well, yeah, this is lemmy. You punch to the right, you gonna hit a tankie.

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UnrefinedChihuahua lemmy.dbzer0.com UnrefinedChihuahua@lemmy.dbzer0.com
Joined: 2024-04-13
#82 ·

.world hasn't universally blocked piracy. As with many things there are nuance. That and piefed.world is kind of neglected lol. But I can browse the piracy communities just fine generally. But compared to LW PW is a blip statistically. If someone were going to notice such comms being available on one of their services. Lemmy would be the one. As such, I understand them doing it. It sucks. But i...

I avoided PieFed as didn't they hard code some instance blocks in their code and not even communicate it or something?

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Cellery quokk.au Cellery@quokk.au
Joined: 2026-09-30
#83 ·

.world is fine, except for the politics, and any anti-zionist comments in thier politics communities. they dint like how i(in an older account pointed out how much boost they got from jewish actors like seinfeld, and censoring universities. for thier propaganda)

World, sjw, discuss.social are all sharing user data including emails and ip addresses. So, feel free to use them but….. I wouldn’t. I don’t know much about Lemmy.today but I assume it’s just another honeypot.

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Eldritch piefed.world Eldritch@piefed.world
Joined: 2025-07-08
#84 ·

I avoided PieFed as didn't they hard code some instance blocks in their code and not even communicate it or something?

They defaulted some yes. But they can and have been disabled here.

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krolden lemmy.ml krolden@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2020-06-30
#85 ·

Maybe stop repeating anti simetic tropes. Its not just ugly it makes you look dumb and by association make the entire instance look dumb and racist.

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krolden lemmy.ml krolden@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2020-06-30
#86 ·

In reply to an earlier post

Stop posting no one likes you

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krolden lemmy.ml krolden@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2020-06-30
#87 ·

In reply to an earlier post

Probably because piefed doesn't federate with them

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davel lemmy.ml davel@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2023-07-08
#88 ·

In reply to an earlier post

It is pretty funny how they can't even run an online community without censorship and bans, though!

We went over this already: literally no one can run a freeze peach zone without it metastasizing into a Nazi bar.

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geneva_convenience thelemmy.club geneva_convenience@thelemmy.club
Joined: 2026-05-05
#89 · (edited)

Damn, only three days. I was hoping they got rid of you for good. I will repeat the phrase that caused you to label me a "genocidal Zionist liberal" and block me, so that you can block me on this account too. "I completely condemn the genocidal, apartheid state of Israel. I don't have a problem with Jews existing." You're just here to pick fights with everyone, while pretending like you care at...

Weird your comment is much much longer and doesn't say that at all. I guess you have to keep lying to keep the Zionism alive.

Zionists trying to tone police the movement like you should be perma'd.

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geneva_convenience thelemmy.club geneva_convenience@thelemmy.club
Joined: 2026-05-05
#90 ·

Stop posting no one likes you

More Zionists doing adhoms.

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geneva_convenience thelemmy.club geneva_convenience@thelemmy.club
Joined: 2026-05-05
#91 ·

Maybe stop repeating anti simetic tropes. Its not just ugly it makes you look dumb and by association make the entire instance look dumb and racist.

Name the antisemitic tropes. Oh wait you can't you're just a Zionist.

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geneva_convenience thelemmy.club geneva_convenience@thelemmy.club
Joined: 2026-05-05
#92 · (edited)

Ydi It's a known rule, you broke it, and it's only a 3 day ban. For a temp ban to be PTB, it has to be egregious, and this wasn't. It wound likely help you in the future to be certain of community rules before engaging on hot button topics, no matter what stance you're espousing.

Name the rule and name the violation.

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geneva_convenience thelemmy.club geneva_convenience@thelemmy.club
Joined: 2026-05-05
#93 · (edited)

Saying "Zionism is not Judaism" is important is because so much of the Zionist rhetoric is about anti-Zionism being antisemitism, which it blatantly is not. It's denying the primary arguing point of Zionists trying to shut down criticism.

Absolutely false. Zionists couldn't care less about the distinction. They will abuse the antisemitism card no matter how well you distinguish. Research in the UK showed Jew hatred was DOWN but they added anti Israel sentiment and then said it was up.

That's why the myth of rising antisemitism needs to be addressed. But then the Zionists come out and concern troll the movement and say anyone who denies there is extreme antisemitism is a secret nazi. Thus empowering the Zionists to keep going.

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OBJECTION! lemmy.ml Objection@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-04-30
#94 · (edited)

Weird your comment is much much longer and doesn't say that at all. I guess you have to keep lying to keep the Zionism alive. Zionists trying to tone police the movement like you should be perma'd.

It literally says that exact phrase, word for word. Who do you expect to fool with such a flimsy lie? People too lazy to click the link?

Zionists trying to tone police the movement like you should be perma’d.

As someone who completely and unequivocally condemns Zionism, I agree completely.

We should also be permabanning edgelords like yourself who criticize antizionists for not being sufficiently racist, and who think that not being racist is the same thing as being a Zionist.

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geneva_convenience thelemmy.club geneva_convenience@thelemmy.club
Joined: 2026-05-05
#95 ·

He wasn't banned for saying Zionism is racism, the mods on .ml agree with that part completely. It was the part where he was strongly critical of distinguishing Zionism from Judaism, going so far to call that "Hasbara slop," when the reality is that Zionists are constantly trying to equate the two. He hates it when people distinguish the two because he wants to use the genocide of Gaza as an ex...

You are a Zionist concern troll. You have been explained many times why you are wrong but instead prefer to keep lying.

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geneva_convenience thelemmy.club geneva_convenience@thelemmy.club
Joined: 2026-05-05
#96 ·

In reply to an earlier post

I'm convinced you are a Zionist here to concern troll.

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geneva_convenience thelemmy.club geneva_convenience@thelemmy.club
Joined: 2026-05-05
#97 · (edited)

It literally says that exact phrase, word for word. Who do you expect to fool with such a flimsy lie? People too lazy to click the link? Zionists trying to tone police the movement like you should be perma’d. As someone who completely and unequivocally condemns Zionism, I agree completely. We should also be permabanning edgelords like yourself who criticize antizionists for not being sufficient...

No, I’m not policing “the Palestinian movement” on tone, I’m policing you on doing your level best to muddy the waters on a black-and-white issue.

This is what your concern troll comment says. Thank you for proving my point and keeping lying.

You will take my position in a year and then pretend to have always been on the right side like a true Platnerite.

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geneva_convenience thelemmy.club geneva_convenience@thelemmy.club
Joined: 2026-05-05
#98 ·

Just because it comes up sometimes, the down vote is for beating your pulpit here, which isn't the point of the community. There's plenty of places to do so.

You could have educated yourself by trying to understand what it says and how it related to the post. But that's too difficult when you're just here to concern troll.

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OBJECTION! lemmy.ml Objection@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-04-30
#99 ·

You are a Zionist concern troll. You have been explained many times why you are wrong but instead prefer to keep lying.

I completely and unequivocally condemn the genocidal, apartheid state of Israel. From the river to the sea, Palestine must be free.

Based on that, I'll let literally every other person, those that don't have their brains completely rotted out by Bad Empanada, decide whether I'm a "Zionist concern troll".

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OBJECTION! lemmy.ml Objection@lemmy.ml
Joined: 2024-04-30
#100 ·

No, I’m not policing “the Palestinian movement” on tone, I’m policing you on doing your level best to muddy the waters on a black-and-white issue. This is what your concern troll comment says. Thank you for proving my point and keeping lying. You will take my position in a year and then pretend to have always been on the right side like a true Platnerite.

You're really doubling down on this blatant lie?

You will take my position in a year

I'll be dead in the ground before I take your position, racist, lying scum.

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Godric lemmy.world Godric@lemmy.world
Joined: 2023-07-09
#101 ·

It is pretty funny how they can't even run an online community without censorship and bans, though! We went over this already: literally no one can run a freeze peach zone without it metastasizing into a Nazi bar.

You can do "I ban Nazis" without "I ban anyone who disagrees with me". Unless you think anyone who disagrees with your politics is a Nazi, which is funny in a different way.

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