Where did you find that first image, and where might I be able to find a higher-quality version?

Hey, thanks for taking the time to express a nuanced and complex viewpoint. You're exactly the kind of person who gets lumped in with Nazis by the divisive, black-or-white stance championed in this post.

I'd hoped that Lemmy would have more mature discussion like this, but as you can see in this thread, it's the same style of "join in the simplistic hatred or be considered the worst kind of enemy" bigotry here too.

There're two claims being made here.

1. Nazis are bad, we don't like them, and

2. anyone who expresses disagreement with the statement "fuck Nazis" must be a Nazi.

Most people agree with (1), but to many, me included, (2) is obviously false. There are many, many reasons people would disagree with "fuck Nazis or you are one", besides being a Nazi and wanting to defend them. Some just dislike profanity. Some don't want to generalize a historical term to today's distinct political factions. Others, like you, recognise that reality is complex, that this finger pointing, name calling strategy is something Nazis do too, or simply that it's not the way intelligent progressives should act.

I genuinely believe that this"call everyone a Nazi" bullshit is part of what's fissioning our social network into antagonistic factions and causing us to waste our meagre collective political capital arguing about which bathroom a few people should use instead of solving our real, pressing global economic and environmental crises.

Now, queue someone replying to insist I must be a Nazi because I didn't just jump on the hate bandwagon...

What a banger. Also just shows how long this shit has been brewing and everyone just kinda overlooked it until now it's too late.

There's a logic flaw in this post and that makes me feel uncertain if this is just ragebaiting or what... It certainly feels like it, and it is kinda worrisome and sad if we let this kinda shit content drive the platform usage into senseless insult throwing (I'm kinda expecting that I'll be called a Nazi for not agreeing on what this post represents, precisely my point).

You can say "fuck Nazis" and I'd agree. Fuck them, hard with a cactus. If someone disagrees with "fuck Nazis" sure, you found the Nazi. I agree with that. If in a conversation someone is defending a Nazi ideology or some clear Nazi shit, yeah call them Nazis and anyone defending them are clearly aligned on that shit.

But then step two of the image makes no sense.

Watch for the "don't call people who disagree with you Nazis" comments.

Saying fuck Nazis is not the same as calling someone who disagrees with you a Nazi. If someone would call someone a Nazi for disagreeing on some random topic, and someone says don't call them Nazis just because they don't agree with you, that doesn't make them a Nazi. There is nuance here, what was it they disagreed with? It feels like the post is just trying to give way to the fact that if you call anyone a Nazi and they disagree that makes them even more Nazi. It the same shit as accusing someone of stealing and when they deny it you answer with "that's what a thief would say". Well yeah, but it is also what a non-thief would say. So it proofs nothing.

Can't we just agree on hating Nazis and calling a Nazi to anyone making a Nazi salute or saying Nazi shit or defending Nazi shit? Can we agree that saying "don't call people who disagree with you a nazi" doesn't immediately imply they are Nazis? It doesn't make any fucking sense, and I'd wish to see better content in Lemmy than this baity shit. Instead of this shit, post a nice image that says "fuck Nazis" with a middle finger as decoratiin, and I'm sure you will see less crap than in this post.

Australia is doing this irl

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/feb/19/police-seize-art-posters-depicting-trump-putin-and-netanyahu-in-nazi-uniforms-from-canberra-bar-ntwnfb

It's not a flaw it's the point.

It's meant to help show those saying be nice to nazis. That's it.

It was not overlooked, it was weaponized. Just like in Germany in the 1930's.

The turning point was 2001. The liberals thought they could use that enemy from within and they thought they could handle the fascists, until they became the fascists. Now they are just like the fascists, but people hate them more than ever, so they directly side with them in order to not be left over when the vanilla fascists takes the power.

not helping your case there

I may be over thinking it, but that's not what it reads like to me. Like at all.

The post doesn't say "anyone defending a Nazi" is a Nazi. Which sure, makes sense. I agree.

The post says "anyone saying that you shouldn't call a Nazi to those who disagree with you means they are by extension Nazis". That assumes that calling someone a Nazi can never be wrong if they disagree with you and you are not a Nazi. Someone that is not a Nazi can disagree with someone that is not a Nazi. The post seems to try and create discord by saying that a witch hunt against Nazis is perfectly fine because Nazis are shit. And anyone against a witch hunt of Nazis means they are a Nazi. Well, I'm against all kind of witch-hunts because they are based on accusing whoever just out of hatred with very little way of fighting against it fairly.

Or to explain my meaning in a different way. I'm against the death penalty. That means that I don't want any form of legal death penalty, even if someone is a Nazi. Does that mean now that I treat Nazis too nicely? I can see and understand that someone disagrees with me and I would disagree with someone proposing the death penalty for nazis. They can call me a Nazi then I guess? Just because I'm against the death penalty? I'm not against the death penalty to defend Nazis, I'm just against the death penalty. This post is in my opinion just shit trying to ragebait. I don't see who could benefit from it, but surely there are possible reasons for it.

Nazi cunts fuck off.

Edit: For anyone concerned about my word choice, I adhere strictly to the official Irvine Welsh prescribed definition of the word.

The post doesn't say "anyone defending a Nazi" is a Nazi. Which sure, makes sense. I agree.

It does, that's the person out of nowhere saying

don't call those you don't like nazi

None of this is specific to anything or anyone unless that person is disagreeing with fuck nazis.

Ok reactionary

I distinctly remember calling someone out as Nazi for misogynistic comments and yet denies being one, despite literally posting Nazi like slogans. Fascists love to act in bad faith and they know it.

How to find reactionaries:

1. Post "succdem nations are subsided by the global south"
2. Watch shitlibs and eurolibs call you a "Russian bot"
3. You found the reactionaries

say what you want about the tenants of national socialism, atleast it's an ethos

So the people who don't like this are Nazi's?

Who else would be upset with those people being depicted in nazi uniforms?

To me it's really very simple. No, not everyone we dislike or disagree with is a Nazi. However, anyone who takes offense to "Fuck Nazis" is either a Nazi or a Nazi sympathizer, which for all intents and purposes is the same thing really.

Not all people I disagree with are Nazis; there’s also Nazisraelis, Saudis and other Muslim autocrats, Hindu Nationalists, etc.

Actually, the votes prove my point.

Sure, except no one got offended. Though I guess I didn't read the most recent responses. So maybe someone did, but I kinda doubt it.

See that would be great. But it actually causes division between people who agree that the genocidal fucks should be dragged out int the street and ..... but don't agree to jumping to conclusions or over generalizations.
The actual supporters of genecidal fucks aren't here to be divisive against.

i showed how this exact failing was useful for the current fascist movement.

Yes you sure did show how you're useful for the current fascist movement.

i get these concepts from… anti-fascist academics.

Do those "anti-fascist academics" say that say that feminists are the real fascists because boobies in vidyagames don't make your pipi hard by any chance?

i find this exhausting, because the inability for people to comprehend words past the social signalling is directly responsible for much of the recent fascist success.

I don't need to comprehend the words that try to argue why "fuck Nazis" is bad.

academics are mean for saying we have to think about context sometimes

Have you dipshit considered your posts in the context of this thread?

Only a liberal quotes an absolute statement to claim that absolutes are bad, proving once again that their entire worldview is based on screenwriting and vibes with critical thinking nowhere to be found.

I don't remember where I got it, but I found a HQ PDF for you.

Don't forget vegans, vegetarians, pescetarians, Jehovah's witnesses, scientologists, Xbox fans, playstation fans, Nintendo fans, train enthusiasts, aviation enthusiasts and Frank. Frank in particular Is a piece of work.

What an amazing counterpoint you've mustered. I can really tell I'm dealing with top grade liberal intelligentsia here.

Maybe Linux Arch users?

train enthusiasts

Well then name a better method of transporting a massive number of people away from a stadium without just reinventing the train.

Dont call the people who say "dont call people you disagree with nazi's" nazi's.

Checkmate.

Unrelated to the topic: I never understood this, because only a fool thinks in non-absolutes

(it is possible to find examples of how Sith were smart and brave enough to see ugly reality for what it is, but I am not that deep into Star Wars lore)

This isn't logical, just popular.

How are you so sure I'm a liberal and not a fascist?

Don't use an ableist pejorative.

You're right, that was over the line and I'm sorry.

Its a movie franchise about swordfighting space wizards, and that's honestly enough to discredit the top-level comment without diving deeper

But what about if we were to use self driving cars in a virtual chain on a dedicated lane to eliminate congestio... Ah shit did it again

Most of the "falling to the dark side" episodes was caused by jedis recognising the reality, they just not only weren't mentally equipped to face it, as they existed in peak of idealist thought, but the universe is also the prime example of the swerve and people on the dark side seemingly immediately kill younglings or massacre indigenous tribes or something like this, regardless of reasons they "fall".

1. you - the nazi

Eh, posting something a group disagrees with will always drag that group out.

It's like posting "bicycles should be banned inside cities" to draw out cyclists.

"You found the Nazis". Now what? Have a nice day.

You are 100% overthinking this.

Don't call everyone you disagree with Hitler, simply because they are named Adolf Hitler and were the leader of the German "Third Reich", committed genocide and started a world war. So quick with the name calling, really /s (calling things by their true name, that is)

Now what? Depends

I'm not so sure there's much of a difference.

Just because someone subscribes to a fascist ideology and chooses to put you and your family into a concentration camp doesn't make them a nazi. And before you raise your voice; I'd like to remind you that calling other people names is hurtful, unless you're speaking truth to power like me. So shut up, I know what's best for your kind.

If we want a brighter future, then we all have to make sacrifices. For me that means that I have to sacrifice my ability to think critically and reflect on my own actions, and for you it means that you have to sacrifice your life. Now please stop crying and get into the mass grave. Thank you, now apologize for calling me a nazi.

Thank you, I accept your apology.

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