it wasnt for nothing. it made stupid magats happy! and the world is now moving away from the usa as a trade partner.

sO mUcH WiNniNg

It also made some obscenely wealthy people even more wealthy! All hail the Demiurge!

In all fairness, half the world hated you before. Now you just managed to convince the other half they were right.

The rapists and their followers got richer though, and more authoritarian regimes are coming along nicely while cooperation and peace are suppressed

At least in the short term. But the ghouls are happy to just make everybody poorer so they can still feel superior.

I mean, silver lining, the dollar was never gonna remain the reserve currency forever. Now that is just gonna happen before the middle of the 21st century, rather than sometime after it.

surprised pikachu face

The other half being your friends and allies though.

So basically you've been a POS the entire time but had some nice aspects to your character that you showed exlusively around your friends and family, but that facade you've now also dropped which made even them hate you.

Depends on if you place value on eroding progressive values or not. Say what you want about this Trump presidency, but he's emboldened bigots to act on their values, and you can't take that away from him.

Let's not pretend that the allies liked the US before either. The US has been side-eyed by all of the developed world since at least the W. Bush era. It's been more of a "that dude is a bully, but smile and nod and he'll hopefully steal someone else's lunch money instead of ours, and maybe Russia will think we're friends and not steal our lunch money either". Now he's teaming up with Russia and going after everyone's lunch money.

Those nice aspects were fake performances that only existed to obfuscate any suspicions that we might have been the bad guy all along.

Now that everything is out in the light and our objectors have been proven right maybe we can be forced to change or be ostracized until we do. Our friends and allies are better off without us until then.

But we’re in the middle half already

Cons: some of our finest work there, even if we do say so ourselves! And we do say so!

The good news is all that money you paid Is going straight out of the governments coffers and back to corporations with no obligation to pay you back.

Oh, also, you have a new hundred billion dollar hole in your budget because that was to pay for the billionaires tax cuts.

Watch who you call “we”

And do understand:

The world hates you

Before most of the world hated you but the west sort of let your bullshit slide because the net avert outcome was great for them and fairly good for the rest of the world minus those countries being butt fucked by the US for reasons.

Now? Everyone hates you, your now ex-allies included. This will not go back to normal again ever. The USA, as you've known it, is over. Resistance is futile, so to speak, as you're now living in a fascist state that likely will nosedive into a fully blown dictatorship

Whenever (between now and the next 100 or so years) the US recovers, nldo not expect the rest of the world to stand ready with their asses up so that you can go continue fucking everyone. Either the US completely rebuilds it's political system from the ground up, jails those responsible for crimes committed in this past decade of trumpism, and switches to an actual democratic system, you can go fuck yourself and play with yourself because nobody will be playing with you ever again anytime soon

And even if we will play with you, it will never again be the same. You had the world at your feet, people were pushing US economy just because, and you fucked it all up next you couldn't keep your billionaires and racists in check.

As a Canadian. I'm happy. We are less dependent on you. And getting stronger.

It got Trump's dick hard as well. Can't forget that.

im british

The world can still hate you more.

I lost my job because of cuts in May. I haven't been able to find full time employment since. I'm not sure I'm going to recover.

If the tariffs are paid for by other countries, why aren't they like the 999%? That would surely add quintillions to the economy /s

Sorry about that.

As a Canadian, the US was like a brother; maybe a bit rough around the edges bit still a close family bond. Now, it's like the brother has a meth addiction and stole a bunch of your stuff. There's a deep sense of betrayal that will last decades, assuming he goes into rehab and attones and doesn't completely ruin things forever.

This way you should be on 0 in no pater than 451 years

Oh yes I can

I'm not saying the US can't recover from this, Germany came back from worse after all, but it would take a long time. And I imagine the US turnaround would be more like Japan (pretend everything was very legal and very cool) than the full reckoning Germany had.

Although the US does love flip-flopping between extremes, so who knows? Just like they went from assaulting soldiers returning from Vietnam to compulsively thanking everyone for their service, maybe they'll be all woke and friendly next? Too bad it takes so little for them to flip-flop back again, so you can't really trust it.

You poor thing.

I made this exact argument on another forum 20 years ago. It was true then. Now I think you need to severely escalate your analogy.

Idle hands are the tool of the devil. Surely you can put your talents to use against a system that's destroying you.

Thank you for your people's music, movies, TV and cheese.

Edit: and BOOZE! How could I have forgotten the booze?!?

Kamala was married to a (((supporter of Israel))). And she wasn’t super fucking gay either. So. That’s why this had to happen. Okay? And who’s to blame for it all? Thaaaat’s right! The Democrats!

All they had to do was have a fucking fair primary.

Instead they fielded a senile president and tried to pretend that was somehow better then a trump.

Both are fucking bad

And when they got caught they fielded their substitute who no one knew or cared about.

Yes I utterly blame the democrats for this fucked state of affairs because it was such a easy fucking victory. All they had do

1. Support Ukraine
2. Stop supplying Israel

Shit they probably could have kept going with the bullshit, albeit with ACA, private health care system and people would have still voted for them.

All they had to do was have a fucking fair primary.

Sure. This is me believing that’s “all they had to do”.

Yes I utterly blame the democrats for this fucked state of affairs

I know.

Everyone wants me to make sacrifices without ever lifting a finger to help me. I'm too busy upskilling, job hunting, and doing part time physical labor.

I'll tell you what you send me help with bills, my mortgage, or food then we'll talk about me doing something you want me to do.

Let me start by saying that as a person unlucky enough to be born in the shithole United States, I completely agree with you.

But, I do not believe that the 2024 election was legitimate. So we the actual people may or may not be responsible. Just keep that possibility in mind, and know that it is no excuse for why this bullshit continues. It's just my personal belief that the fascist oligarchs purchased this past election wholesale.

Classic "bootstraps" call lol

Bunch of rich dudes got slightly richer like 12 days earlier than they would otherwise tho!

If it helps any, we don't hate Americans, by and large. We pity you. It's your leaders we hate.

I'm about to eat my bootstraps.

Even a quick gloss over the history of relations between the USA and Latin/America/Middle East/South East Asia will inform anyone of what sort of horrors that country has been unleashing on the world for MANY decades.

We hated you before Trump because you killed us, tortured us, and supported strongmen who did the same to us. What you are doing now is what you’ve always been doing, and what you will continue to do if given the chance. You will not stop until either the planet or all of us are dead.

No, of course not all US citizens are to blame for Trump and his fascism, but the millions who were stomped under your boots all over the world and continue to suffer are innocent as well, and what was ever done for all those victims?

Countless military dictatorships put in power with US support, peasants murdered to make way for gold mines and banana plantations, weddings cowardly drone bombed from above, torture carried out in Abu Gharaib. The terrorism has been relentless and never ending.

Your corporations and your soldiers taught us all we ever wanted to know about your country. Do us all a favor and stay within your own borders. I hope you kill your internal fascism, I really do, but what I’m more concerned about is the external fascism the rest of the world has suffered at your hands.

I have many good friends in the USA, but we all just can’t deal with that country, what it is now, and what it’s ALWAYS been. I’ve seen the destruction it has wrought with my own eyes. ICE is horrendous, but have you seen an entire town flattened by US munitions along with its civilians?

As Derick Jensen wrote about the police, why do we hate the police? Because they hated us first.

That sums up my thoughts about the relationship between the USA and the rest of the world.

Well said.

Edit: I wasn't asking for sacrifices. Just suggesting ways you could help yourself if you found yourself with time on your hands.

The thing is, in any somewhat sane and precedented administration, the argument could reasonably have been made that some economic struggles, even a year in, were largely due to polices of the previous administration.

The problem with this administration is, they literally did everything possible to fuck the economy up, pretty much from day one. Nearly every decision was a bad decision, which had specific and obvious ramifications on the economy. Chaos. Clown show. Chain saw. The current administration owns this shitty economy. They could have litterally sat around twiddling their thumbs doing absolutely nothing but eat hamburders and drink covfefe and the economy would be doing orders of magnitude better than it is now. Instead they decided tariffs and firings and tax cuts to the ultra rich were in order. So now this is all their fault. 100%.

Untrue. We paid extra to fund tax breaks for billionaires while food prices tripled and 1,206,374 people were laid off in order to keep those record profits going.

My armchair prediction is that even if Democrats manage to gain back control of power in the US, many countries will now be skeptical of entering any arrangements with them for longer than 2-4 years. US voters have now shown a propensity for electing and re-electing a leader that is able to come in and comprehensively dismantle decades of intense diplomacy and geopolitical navigation in a short period of time. As such, wise leaders of other nations won’t be willing to enter long-term arrangements that last beyond a given administration anymore.

You mean "Sorery aboot that, eh?"

Is your country offering asylum to American refugees yet?

No no you're right. What's happening right now is so much better than having an Israel supporter for president. You saved the world.

Make sure you season them properly

I... guess if you have one half that's 2025-2075 and another half that's comprised of the two non-contiguous quarters on either side?