That's pretty bloody awesome!

Lahey and Hunter S Thompson don't seem all that different.

because you think it helps Google (unreasonable)

I personally think this can be reasonable if you're the type to talk all about your hardware with people. You might not like promoting Google, so you choose a different device with a different privacy OS because you would rather talk about that to people.

For me, I don't talk about my phone much to people - so I just bought a second hand Pixel 8, put Graphene on it, and popped a sticker over the Google logo. Using a case that's not clear does just as good of a job. I will probably replace it with a Motorola eventually when they start releasing phones with GrapheneOS on it.

Security is not so good there:

https://gitlab.e.foundation/e/backlog/-/issues/9201

https://gitlab.e.foundation/e/backlog/-/issues/9200

it's refreshing to see real internet community

Yes buying second hand stops you giving your money to Google, however it still supports ppl buying them in the first place. And that supports Google.

I wish there was more options in the Graphene space as it's something I'd love to tinker with too. But also don't wanna buy from Google.

Hence why I go back to hoping projects like pinephone take off (albeit I'm realistic of the chances of that happening)

That person (if they are a person at all) to whom you're responding can't be serious.

How is that not indirectly funding Google?

however it still supports ppl buying them in the first place. And that supports Google.

that's not how second hand purchasing works

The alternate reality where he ended up being a cop instead of a journalist.

It kind of does, most of my tech friendly family members refuse to buy Chinese phones, not because they care about privacy but because they have no resale values. They only buy iphones, samsung and google.

If Google secondhand market crashes, I'm pretty sure some of them drop Google from their acceptable phone list. I'm not saying it's direct impact of Google, but at least it's indirect in the sense they will not buy Google next time.

So if you buy secondhand Google 8, you are part paying your sellers next Google pixel 10. It's a bit mental gymnastics, but not baseless theory.

You can say that for anything...

Hardware security is largely irrelevant. It makes sense for some use cases, mine everyday use is not one of them. There are much more important threat vectors, such as all the acounts of the cloud services I use.

Also, there are plenty of cheap second hand pixels on ebay, and Google doesn’t see a penny from those sales. Recycling is good for the planet anyways.

This is where I disagree. Buying second hand google phones supports the second hand value of these phones, which in turn indirectly benefits Google because people are more likely to buy them.

I wouldn't say it is irrelevant when there is a worldwide push towards authoritarianism and countless examples of unreasonable search and seizure.

Plus, everyone has their own threat model. It's almost a meme in the privacy community, but there's a reason threat modeling and prioritization is step #1. It may not be a big concern to you (in your opinion), but imagine if it didn't exist for someone who needs it.

I wouldn’t say it is irrelevant when there is a worldwide push towards authoritarianism and countless examples of unreasonable search and seizure.

Hardware security is irrelevant for that. As it is irrelevant for most other things.

Authoritarian governments are not going to bother with hacking you. They will just force you to unlock your devices or go to jail for obstruction of justice.

Real security starts with de-Googling, de-Facebooking,... etc

Fairphone with the necessary hardware to support GOS would be the dream ngl...

if possible they could have two models, one focusing on sustainability and another on privacy

I agree. IMHO, at the moment that would be the best solution.

I tried FF with Murena, but couldn't really appreciate it: to me the interface is too "iPhonish", not practical nor comfortable.

GOS is much better, not just for the security but for the user experience as well.

Always buy second hand