As someone who paid $1.50 MORE per Gallon this week then last week prices ARENT Soaring because TRUMP Told me they WERENT! STOP believing EVERYTHING you Sheeple!

-Republican Voters!

Fuck those flatfooted eco liberals, I don't want to pay a cent extra for my energy just for sustainability and clean air. Actually I don't want it even if it's cheaper, because it's simply un-American! And also it cost jobs because my delusions say so.
-Republicans

It's what they voted for, fuck em

Yesterday night we charged our car for the equivalent of 6 cent per kWh.
2 days earlier we charged for free using surplus power from our solar panels.
On average in the winter we can charge during the night for around 15 cent per kWh. from April to September (both months included) we can pretty consistently charge for free from our solar panels in Copenhagen at Latitude 55° North.
If you live further south, you will be able to do even better. All of USA except Alaska has way better conditions for solar power than we do.

And the solar system only cost $30k!

Let's forget, for a moment, about global warming and the environment, and just forget about the fact that EVs are cheaper and better to drive. Let's talk about national security, the economy, and sovereignty. Because we can't have it while we're dependent on other nations for oil. Let's transition to electric vehicles, of all types, and then we don't have to worry about energy anymore. Of course, then we're still dependent on China for batteries but that's a different problem that we can actually solve.

I could be wrong but I think certain battery chemistries aren't as reliant. Such as NMC.

Ironically the reason there’s so much lifepo4 batteries available from china despite the tech being USA invented is that there was a patent on the tech in USA, which is a factor in why nobody developed it, but china being china they didn’t care about the bourgeois patents and built up a huge industry around batteries - and now the patent expired.

Maybe,maybe less ,but the point is that it will pay for itself.

Nothing could make me buy a car from elon. I wouldn't drive for free.

good thing the rapist pedophile torpedoed EV, solar and all possible renewable energy industries in the USA before destroying oil supply to cover for said raping and pedophile activities

congrats Americans!

Then don't buy from Felonia dickMusk. You've still got Lucid, and various EV models from Toyota, Kia, Hyundai, Honda, Volkswagen, etc.

America's dependence on cars is the real issue.

Toyota and Honda have cancelled EV production.

Our solar panels cut our roughly $500/month electric bill to zero when you average it out over an entire year. So that’s $6000 a year. During peak summer our batteries that get charged by the panels send excess electricity back to to the grid that the utility pays a premium for, and last year we got $2500 for that. Our state also pays us for the total amount of renewable energy we generate, and we got about $500 last year for that. So in one year our panels saved us roughly $9000. After we’ve paid off our loan in a couple more years then this will continue generating free money for us.

And now they are starting mass production of sodium batteries that are not affected by cold, and solid state battery production begins next year.

They should have come together and developed a charging system then.

I wouldn't buy a car from Elon either, fortunately other companies make EVs

Honestly I think the best way to sell Americans on electric is to let BYD enter the market and not tax them to death. Their prices would be very attractive, but they price way lower than just about anyone else. If they offered electric cars to Americans at those prices, it would shake up the industry there — both ICE and electric. Like, the Cybertruck is still gonna be the Cybertruck, nothing else looks like that, but if you want an affordable electric and Chevy, Toyota, Nissan, et al are saying $30-40K and BYD is saying $10-20K... a lot of people are gonna look good and hard at BYD.

cheaper

Are they? I'm currently looking at buying a car and according to my rough estimates, they're so much more expensive that the cost of gas doesn't really even matter much.

They've been "starting production" for 20 years. I'll believe it when I see it. And by "see it" I mean cars being actively sold that have been validated by 3rd parties.

Most other brands can charge at Tesla superchargers now too, and other charging networks are gradually improving, and you'll do almost all of your charging at home or work anyway.

What I want is an electric car that doesn't surveil me...looking into retrofitting.

Honda did (which doesn't surprise me, Honda is an engine company that happens to make cars), Toyota is still in the EV game, and they're dragging Subaru with them into it.

Honda's pulling back because they bet on the USA for launch, but Trump happened, and the Chinese are killing it in every other market, so they're backed in a corner and the marketing people figured it's better to take the L than try and proceed in a hostile market.

Your concerns/information is outdated.

I dont want to use a tesla charger or chord. You don't understand my "concerns"

Yeah dog just say no to the epstein empire. No tesla no musk.

Bro ev is a bullshit solution gift to the capitalist elites. Public transportation in a reliable network is far "greener" and faster. Edit- I just looked what community this was sorry lol

Bro EV = electric vehicle

Let’s transition to electric vehicles, of all types

Public transportation either already is or can be transitioned to electric as well.

The point is they COULD be cheaper if our current admin didn't go balls deep back into oil. Other countries make extremely affordable EV cars. The US chose to enter the EV market with 6 figure electric trucks, and "entry level" evs that cost 40k plus, and then get confused why no one buys them.

Ours is 11 kWh with a 7kWh battery, complete with installation it was $18 k, but that includes 25% sales tax.
So without tax it's $14.5 k.
But that was 2½ years ago, and although that is not so long ago, prices have dropped dramatically here because prices were inflated due to the energy crisis caused by Russia invading Ukraine, and Russia blocking gas deliveries to Europe.

But to be fair, we didn't buy the entire solar system, just a few solar panels. 😋

Whoa $500 per month! Our consumption here in Denmark has been stable around $150 per month for 20 years in 3 different houses. Excluding heating. Prices have gone up, but constantly more energy efficient equipment has curbed that, so we use less electricity now than we did 20 years ago.
I'm guessing you live somewhere that needs air condition?

After we bought solar panels I calculated it for 2024 and we paid $8 when deducting sales from our purchases. But we have 4 Winter months where we can't cover our consumption with the panels alone, because the sun is too low on the sky to give much energy.
Our system is 11 kWh panels, and 7 kWh battery, I am curious how big your system is?

Even with tarrifs, BYD would still be cheaper than most ICE cars... the problem is you cant register it legally in the US becuase it doesnt "meet US saftey regulations" but feel free to buy the deathtraps that are Teslas.

I have an old truck with a seized engine just collecting rust. I would love to convert it to an electric vehicle once I have the money and time, unfortunately in my area such a mod wouldn't be street legal so it would have to be a farm-only truck for now.

Right after I made this comment I came across this post: https://slrpnk.net/post/35311449 seems relevant.

$0.40 per kWh here :-/

Seems second hand EV are now the most affordable cars. Fast depreciation for the win.

There can be more than one real issue. Not all transit is within a city or between cities, and since I need a car to get to the nearest city, I'd greatly prefer one that I can fuel with solar panels.

I known car icon when I sees one!

We also have that in the morning when everybody get up, and then again around dinner time. Prices often even go slightly higher than that in those periods.
Our rates are hourly, so charging the car at night you can generally get power for 15 cent per kWh.
6 cent is very cheap and does not generally occur during winter, but I bet that very soon when the spring gets milder, we will see below 10 cent regularly.

For us solar with battery is brilliant, because even when there is little to no sun at dinner, we have enough on the battery to cover both the expensive periods 6 moths of the year. Most days even when cloudy, we can still make enough to cover the entire 24 hours.

Huh?

In Australia the Cupra e cars aren't connected but it's the single biggest complaint so I am sure new versions will "fix" that. Maybe the US has the non connected models?

I have a BYD and don't care if China surveils me, and i am ok to trade that off to do things like charge remotely, cool or heat the car remotely before I get in etc What I do care about is my country surveiling me, their only intention for doing that is to do me harm if I don't confrom.

on another note i always find it bemusing Americans claiming to be wary of surveillance, this the country of the NSA, Edward Snowden, Meta, Apple, Google, doorbell cams, internet cams, Amazon Echo, smart homes and on and on.

You have to look beyond gas and look at total cost of ownership. Not to mention the time spent taking your vehicle in for service on a regular basis.

Deathtraps, really?!
So do you mean only the Cybertrack - or Teslas in general (and what exactly dym, some stats or safety ratings)?
Thanks!

We have about 40kwh panels and 40kwh battery. We use roughly 1mwh per month, with our biggest consumption between our EV, kitchen appliances, and clothes dryer.

I think all the truly cheap ones aren't in production this year, a few years ago a Chevy bolt with the tax incentive was literally the cheapest vehicle to buy with a warranty and a loan, period, and that includes 3-4 year old used vehicles (no tax incentive and worse interest, sticker price was lower).

They also entered the market years too late and with a subpar, more expensive rebadged Chevy SUV rather than just giving us an electric accord or whatever.

https://www.smh.com.au/business/companies/it-s-on-fire-tesla-sued-over-trapped-driver-as-safety-concerns-grow-20260205-p5nzvu.html

-unplugs car- “did something….happen?”

War is profitable. You must buy oil so we can continue to justify this horrible profitable thing.

The aptera is launching soon after so many goddamn delays and disappointments. It’s looking like trumps bullshit might actually hike the demand so high it can save that project.