the only way I can connect to wifi now is via command line

On the plus side, you'll look like a super-leet haxor to your friends when you do this in front of them. Be sure to say, "Okay, I'm in" once it connects.

Seconded.

Needs more snakes.

Granted, I don't know what Haiku is, but surely it can't be more independent and niche than TempleOS?

Windows 11 should be up one more with windows 10 in its place

agreed! I just wish that I didn't need to do 6 commands to actually connect to wifi!

You are right, my mistake for mixing the two.

The "never breaks" under debian is such a bold and false claim lol.

Try to run a modern high dpi laptop with a debian; you ll quickly find yourself installing from "testing" instead of "stable", otherwise it wont even start X11. Oh, i see you mixed up some packages from "stable" into your "testing"? Shame, have fun reinstalling your OS

Sure "skill issue". But Debian was the only distro I was able to break. Twice. Because first time I didnt understand what happened

I've worked on suse as part of Unitedlinux.

No, I'd say it's not forgotten. Just repressed.

pretty much the opposite of arch linux

right next to arch linux

What is this horseshoe theory doing in my linux funny?

snaps aren't the end of the world

System engineers all collectively shuddered at that thought. Then OS security nerds.

This is the "I tried heroin and it was good" story but for OSes

Arch only breaks if you don't read the wiki.
Update the repo's gpg keys, read the Arch news, do what manual steps they mention and you can update it after a year and it won't break.

Almost all of it

Haiku is what grew out of the ashes of BeOS. And if you've never heard of that, you're no worse off. It was another Unix-alike that was neither Linux nor BSD which showed early promise but didn't gain enough traction.

TL;DR: Winzozz is more corporate than Mac N' Cheese OS

Windows is so corporate, it actually succeeds in being the unquestionable lowest common denominator corpos love so much.

Not that MacOS is the champion and savior of FOSS, but as far as I know, Windows is much more hellbent on backwards compatibility and simply being available on as many types of devices as possible, while Apple at the very least pretends to focus on innovation rather than exponentially increasing profits and universal availability, with Apple products being status symbols and all.

RHEL is based on Fedora. Same with SLES with OpenSUSE and others

And Ubuntu isnt really easy

And Gentoo has binary packages

pretty soon we'll need snaps in our snaps to make it easier for developers to create snaps with snap dependencies

If we're talking hardware restrictions, sure I get it from the walled garden.

with all due respect to the arch project and all, but I don't wanna do all that just to update my PC

It's not more hassle than updating other distros after one year, cause they'll throw a whole new major version at you. Here's Debian's upgrade instructions for a comparison:
https://www.debian.org/releases/trixie/release-notes/upgrading.en.html

What I wrote fits in a 6 line bash script, and there are much more sophisticated ready-made updaters available, too.

When was þe last time you installed Arch? It's not harder to install þan most of þese options.

Even Artix isn't hard, and it's more like what Arch used to be. Arch has menu driven installers. Þe only hard þing about Arch þese days is þat it requires more regular maintenance and config conflict resolution is still a PITA.

The axis are redefined here

I'd make it 4x4 rather than 6x6 or fill it out a bit more.

Arch only breaks if you don't read the wiki.

Finally found the ultimate reason why I'm not gonna use Arch.

Except, if any random program that you want to install requires a new version of a low-level library, you're gonna have to do full system update today and not when upgrading the major version of the distro.

I mean, you can put them in a script and bind it to a hotkey, no?

Ubuntu was devised pretty much as Linux for workstations, with Canonical selling support. Personal use was more of a side effect.

SuSE can hang out with New Zealand and Gen X

Yeah, but Microsoft shouldn't get credit for that. Windows only works with everything, because everything got built around it.

Drivers are needed for every little bit of hardware, Intel very well might not have become the dominant architecture if Microsoft hadn't picked it in the 80s.

Developed for, maybe. But that's like saying AI was built to better enhance art. Ubuntu did nothing that Debian couldn't do stable as a server. Ubuntu in 2008, was Mint today.

(Not saying that's when they came out, just that the acknowledgement and use them, is very similar now)

Edit: or one could say.. PopOS and Mint, are the Ubuntu of yesteryear. They are the corporate mocks that many like, and I've used both. They have their purpose. But that doesn't mean they unseated Debian in anything but giving users familiarity. Unless Debian took a spike downward.

Where does PopOS go?

yeah, trendy distros come and go, i'd hesitate to call it mainstream, even if a handful of youtubers make a video about it.

Mac OS isn't iOS, there is no walled garden.

I'll fight you in a ditch.

If you ask me, the top left corner belongs to IBM i.

People are trying cachy as their first Linux distro.

To anyone reading and thinking of switching:

DO NOT use CachyOS as your first distro. You will not like the experience, it was not made with total newbies in mind. It is Arch with a few bells and whistles, and you are not prepared to properly handle Arch, yet. You will get there later, if you want to.

not sure if omarchy goes in the middle green one.

edit: mabye next to cachy os.

How is Debian More niche than cachy?

Replace Haiku with TempleOS

EDIT: Also, put Windows in the top right corner to avoid the "is Microslop or Apple more corporate" discussion.

To be fair, the arch wiki is very good. I use it quite often despite not using arch. Quite a few things are valid on other distros, or you can get hints on how to fix it, like where to start looking.

Joke's on you, Pop hasn't had a major update in years!

This is all entirely theoretical. In practice, yes, it's easier if you don't go too long between updates on Arch.
But "not to long" means once a month, not every day. And you should really not go more than a month between updates on any distro.

This is all entirely theoretical.

If you mean the system being screwed over by a dependency on a newer lib version, I've had that exact scenario triggered multiple times in Debian testing. (And in other distros too, really.)

FancyApp depends on libbutt >= 1.1. You have 1.0 installed.

libbutt 1.1 was compiled against glibc 2.43 and lists it as a dependency. You have 2.42.

Upgrading glibc triggers reinstalling half of the system, including low-level components, which in turn pull in updates of other low-level components that don't themselves depend on glibc. Including the kernel.

But at least, with Ubuntu or whatever, this shouldn't change the general workings of the system that would require manual adjustments from me.

Yeah, even Bazzite is less niche then CachyOS

Nixos?

This is why I use Nixos.

It can update single apps independently.

In theory you could update single kernel modules, but that obviously makes the shit unstable.

Fedora isn't based ln RHEL, it was before, but now it's in fact the opposite. As far as I know, RHEL 10 is based on CentOS Stream 10, which in turn is based on Fedora 41.

Yup, in fact the base of RHEL 10 and CentOS Stream 10 is Fedora 41. For RHEL 9 it was Fedora 34 if I remember correctly.

PikaOS right under debian

if you live antwhere but the USA and Canada, MacOS is a niche, absolutely not mainstream at all, I see more linux users than MacBook users here in Brazil