Think of it this way: there are billions of types of online interactions where detection is either impossible (an image or link post) or extremely difficult (general conversation where sometimes even humans don't sound like humans due to slang/education/etc).

Not only that, you'd end up with a "tug of war" where the existence of such detectors would power the improvement of the bots, which would require the improvement of the detector (which is always more difficult).

And the other option is an anonymous token that defines you as a human user. Which is simpler and cheaper to implement?

There are alternatives we could use.

A bunch of European countries already have "e-IDs" that can share very limited data with a service provider. For instance, Sweden has "Bank ID" (ID generated by you bank), which you can use to, for example, sign in to your housing association's website. This gives them your name and registered address, immediately giving you the site for your particular community.

You could use a system like that to send only the "this is a human" token. Potentially also "this is an adult", without giving away any of your personal details, including your date of birth.

I've been on reddit for 15 years (on and off again, deleting my accounts and then re-signing up later).

I'm looking forward to a fresh start here.

Yeah it's me.

If the massive waves of permabans they have been doing for anti-trumpers weren't enough, this should kill the website entirely.

So glad I ditched reddit.

They made it easier for bots to thrive by allowing hidden post histories, limiting the API, and punishing users for "bad" reports, but claim they need face ID to filter out bots?

Welcome! Hope you find and enjoy your space here

I had a similar account that got banned for connecting to the wrong VPN endpoint. Clicked a random server from my VPN provider, suddenly my account was permanently banned with no ability to appeal

Thinking it was just some issue on my end (it was a non-standard looking ban), I logged into another OG account of mine, which also promptly got perma-banned

Extreme incompetence for them to be issuing perma-bans like that based on IP address

Not gonna lie, I like it this way.

Ah yes, because bots absolutely haven't managed to fake/generate faces now have they...

I think you're wrong. Completely wrong. There are billions of messages but any intelligent person knows you don't go through each one by one.

Do you ever see those guys who can look at a picture of a tree in a field and identify where it is in the world. There's billions of trees. How do they do that with precision?

Classification.

They can train their bots on whatever they want. The human is smarter. If they tune them, you use the methods and knowledge learned and adapt. Like generating random numbers, there's limits almost always. You don't find them by inaction.

4chan a website full of racist, neo nazi and pedophiles were just goofing around and they do insane OSNIT research. Lemmy is fucking around with beans and moths. I don't know. I'm just saddened by the state of things and how much better everybody else is at things I always thought the left was good at. It's just been eye opening to see.

Yep, same!

Does it still count as a conspiracy theory if it's objectively true? Hahaha (oh god)

Something something China owns Reddit, something something Trump pissed of China, something something oblique humor here.

Am I doing it right?

[This is a meta-commentary on why I left reddit, thank you for participating]

thank god, i need a kick in the ass to get off that poisonous slop

I don't feel like I'm constantly sorting through low quality bot shit to find a human with authentic human expertise.

I do miss the long chains of wordplay, the sense of humor and fun. But Reddit gave that up for ragebait ages ago.

"the left" is not a monolith. A lot of people have various relationships with"the left". I don't identify with "the left" much because I disagree, strongly, with being put in a groupthink box. I happen to have some beliefs that the groupthink box on the left has vhemently and painfully attacked me for. But I also REALL REALLY REALLY think the right is wildly wrong, because they're being simplistic, stupid, and very very corrupt. And I STRONGLY object to corruption. I happen to genuinely and unironically love my country and the promise of a fair chance for all. I love clean water. Clean air. A healthy wilderness ecosystem you can spend time in. Hard work that does good for the world. I love the freedom to research, honestly, and speak freely and without fear.

I don't see the right sharing some key parts of those values these days. But I'm concerned the left has become too inactive, too sullen, too much a party of victims who lash out reactively.

Don't have a solution yet except to vote.

The human is smarter

So, you want to hire hundreds of thousands of moderators? The human is smarter, yeah, but not the bot doing the detection.

If they tune them, you use the methods and knowledge learned and adapt

You say it like "tuning them" is a magic trick, where they wave their hands a couple of times, and now the detection algorithms are smarter than the bots writing the comments. SOMEONE has to go in, and figure out the maths to make the detection algorithms smarter and better at detecting. That takes time and resources.

You're also forgetting that "tuning them" works both ways. The people writing the shit-post bots also work on improving their tools, to make them indistinguishable from human posts.

Also: how can you tall that "lol, kys noob" is written by a human, or by a bot? The vast majority of comments online are these short shit-comments.

I’m just saddened by the state of things and how much better everybody else is at things I always thought the left was good at

1. 4chan is not "magically" "good" at "OSINT". They fuck up a lot of things too. It just so happens that what they're most famous for required one dude who wrote a script, a bunch of kids with bandwidth to spare.
2. Their OSINT is super iffy, hit-and-miss. Much like Reddit's. Or any other large enough community's.
3. What @AnotherUsername@lemmy.ml said.

I made the switch to Lemmy today, feels old school kind of good.

Reddit is not only allowing for bots to run rampant, but also it’s managed by the Epstein class and their supporters.

You made the right choice by coming here.

Samsies

I used to assume most of the bots belonged to Reddit. I still do, too.

I want most people to switch to lemmy.

BREAKING NEWS! Reddit figured out how to make their platform even shittier

Welcome! You'll fit right in

Simultaneously China owns Reddit so they control everything there for the see see pee, but somehow they don't censor that criticism

I've reached to similar conclusion myself after some testing and words of some moderators of subs.
I was thinking about testing it out on a virtual machine, but it's probably easier to just move over to alternatives. I'll probably still give it a shot at some point when I'm bored.

Though thank you for elaborating more.

Those won't require id

Of course they are

What? Reddit is left-leaning, why would they ban Anti-Trumpers

Welcome aboard! Lots of new people, nice for the fediverse. I should probs donate to the project too, that helps...

I don't. I want the ones who have something to contribute to a conversation to join Lemmy. I want the rest to take their meme-blasted voids where a person should be and sit in contemplation until they're ready to join the adults.

Face ID? Has he not been paying attention? It's pretty triival at this point to generate a picture of someone's face.

Watch /r/politics posts go from 22k upvotes to 3k upvotes overnight.

Awesome, love it, hope they do it. I love me a good fire.

Centralisation of power is in the first place why we moved away from Reddit. Fuck that.

You can find your own fitness sidelemmy. There are actually a few I found.

Fighting bots with less privacy feels like a trade a lot of people won’t be comfortable with.

So glad I was banned from Reddit.

They need to filter out unauthorised bots. There'll still be a fuckton but they'll be spreading the right propaganda.

Yeah I basically only use Reddit if there’s a community I can’t find on either lemmy or tumblr (which is very very few) but that’s not worth giving a scan of my face to Reddit yuck

This data surely goes straight to Palentir

Oh sure, that's why.

nuked my reddit account by telling reddit moderators that eventually every last pedophile account holder on reddit would be held accountable for their actions. got permanently banned for "threatening to kill reddit moderators" with police action "promised". way to admit that reddit mods are pedophiles.

funny cause nazis and pedophiles on reddit don't get banned.

I ain’t showing face. Ass yes, face….not a chance!

you're doing the lord's work, thank you! lol

On the one hand, this is awful and will be a complete clusterfuck

On the other hand, it would be acceptable if the mods have to use a recent photo as an avatar.

never been happier to have been banned for no reason at all