I love it when you fascist lovers out yourself like this.

I mean this pretty much avoids the question by invoking the idea that because there was some Nazis you approve of, something something.. I fail to see the relevance. It sure sounds like apologetics.

You then proceed to moralize about the efficacy of the critique the stament is making, but you didn't actually address the question.

Your argument is basically "Don't be critical of Zionists or Israelis, because that plays into their five d chess".

Now, put yourself in the position of the period immediately before WWII, and in your response, replace the word Israel with the word Nazi Germany.

Would you still agree with your statement? Are you comfortable with history remembering you did these kinds of apologetics on behalf of the worst criminals, the most abhorrent people of the time?

That's giving me a 404 at the moment. You should be able to at least view the thread here.

The username is the relevant part whereas now that user calling anyone a Zionist is a call for a slapping. I thought to add the link so anyone can just read from the horse's mouth so to speak.

axis.world sure does love to censor anyone they disagree with, just like how they preemptively de-federated with hexbear 'as a last resort'.

despite pretending neutrality, .world bases it's moderation on political motivations

Do you wanna just get the "muh freeze peach" part over while you're at it and save us some time? You just say they've feigned neutrality but then never back it up because a) you know it's provably horseshit, and b) it doesn't matter because you're trying to separate things into political and apolitical categories that fundamentally do not exist and – as we all know from conservatives pulling this schtick for decades – only hurt the victim by silencing what you determine to be "political" speech and actions.

Yes, it's political that an instance admin called for another instance's admin to be killed; yes, it's political to defederate from them in the sense that everything about social media and group dynamics generally is inherently political; no, I don't think it being political is a bad thing like you're pretending to. I'm sure you haven't raised a squeak whenever an instance would choose to defederate from a hateful, far-right cesspit; the reality is that the person feigning care about neutrality here is you.

Edit: Oh, they moderate a Jill Stein community. Their unhinged behavior below makes way more sense now.

Okay, I'll switch to talking about the big man himself.

It is a wonderful thing that Hitler killed himself. It was a PR blessing for the allies, because it prevented him from becoming a martyr. If Hitler had not killed himself, I do not think he should have been given the death penalty. I am against killing Hitler unless he was an active combatant. I think Hitler should have been given life in prison, because I am against the death penalty in all circumstances. And it would have made him a martyr.

Likewise, Netanyahu should not be killed. He should be given a fair trial, which I believe should reach a verdict of life in prison. I don't want Netanyahu martyred, I don't want to spend tons of money on his death row, I just want to put him in a room where he can't hurt anyone until he dies of old age.

Okay, so still all inference, not a direct call for murder of a specific person.

Seems like shitty behavior that justifies a ban, but defederation?

the 'anarchist anti-realist' is extremely invested in liberal moralizing and tone policing

whenever zionism comes up the anti-realism goes out the window and is replaced with moral realism

absolute farce of an account

Because there is a pretty big group of tankies who literally are just maga version wearing "we're the left" patches...when in reality they're just authoritarians who can't see nuances for shit and think if anyone who disagrees with them should be put against a wall and shot. It's why hexbear was defederated and now more and more instances like hexbear who are realizing their echo chamber is being tuned out have built new instances and spilled into them.

Edit: and the tankie brigades are here to sling their useless downvotes onto comments that they don't like lol

Yeah there's been a whole recent wave of mass bannings from the FHF team. So I am guessing there's a larger and more interpersonal issue going on between these users.

for liberals 'tankies' are anyone to their left at this point, as you defederate from one group of leftists you all just go on witch hunts for the next group which is too far left for you.

also you post on meanwhileongrad, you literally hang out with nazis

Not everyone. I dont make choices based on politics, because I do not engage with or participate in politics as best I can. Especially here on Lemmy.

As a mod for .world/c/cars, I only make choices based on the rules of the community and instance. I might not agree with a post or comment, but if it isn't breaking the rules then I don't do anything about it, and if its reported content then I will just close the report. Admittedly, its pretty low traffic so I haven't needed to do much, and the other mod is great and handles things usually before I need to get involved.

I believe it is the responsibility of a mod, admin, or other figure in a position of power to not abuse that power. Fair and equal application of rules, extending the benefit of the doubt but still firm about the rules, etc. are ways to avoid this IMO, so that is what I try to do.

Someone having a different opinion or belief should never be a reason for mod action, even if I think that opinion or belief is wrong. Unless it is against the rules (or clearly dangerous such as suggesting drinking bleach for any reason), it should be allowed to be said. Users shouldnt be afraid to have posts removed at random or because I dont agree with them. Sometimes this means a new rule needs to be made, and thats okay.

I've been noticing the FAF leaning more tankie over time.

Ikr? Just for starters, using Operation Paperclip as an example of something good and positive to back up your point, when supposedly your reasoning for defederation is based on the concept of the Nazi bar? That is some seriously wild pro-fash hypocrisy.

So why do you allow Zionist admins at lemmy.world? It's a Zionist instance, by that logic.

Anyone know which instances don't defederate anyone? I can handle blocking assholes, Nazis and spammers myself, and I do not like censorship being handled for me. I do not know if my current instance does that.

'netanyahu created hamas' is a hasbara talking point that removes palestinian agency and de-legitimizes resistance by framing it as an israeli puppet show.

hamas emerged from the material conditions of occupation and blockade

allowing qatari money into gaza and exploiting hamas/pa divisions is standard colonial divide-and-conquer, not 'creating' resistance.

the 'playing into israel's hands' argument is just more tone policing. colonial powers will paint resistance as terrorism regardless of rhetoric.

respectability politics doesn't stop genocide. if palestinian armed resistance against iof soldiers is legitimate, then saying 'kill zionists' online isn't 'giving israel propaganda', it's just being honest about what legitimate resistance entails.

applying 'war crimes' frameworks to resistance while actual genocide is happening is liberal legalism that judges the oppressed by their oppressor's rules. international law was written by imperial powers to protect imperial interests.

this whole framework of calling on moral realism about death penalty being 'objectively wrong,' insistence on fair trials, tone policing resistance rhetoric, defending zionist family members as 'just misled' is just liberal moralism with anarchist aesthetics. there's nothing anarchist about supporting state institutions (courts, prisons) or prioritizing israeli propaganda concerns over palestinian liberation.

'anarcho anti-realist' my ass

Ash to ash

Dust to dust

The Fediverse is becoming a beautiful example of why the best theories aren’t necessarily working out in practice, when human ego gets involved.

Let’s hope the devs and admins become more mature as their Fediverse grows

You make decisions for your community based on the rules. There's another word for rules: policies. You make decisions based on the policies. That's politics. What I think is going on here is, you don't make decisions based on external politics, just internal politics.

wow, this screed doesn't at all debunk the accusation of overt pro-zionist moderation

edit:

jill stein is anti Zionist, too

Dropped that whole "political" thing like a rock, didn't you? You never said anything about "pro-Zionist moderation"; your only two comments that I replied to were whinging about "politically based" and "political motivations", and now you're pivoting with no acknowledgement, because you're fundamentally arguing in bad faith.

If your problem is their specific politics, you can be upfront about that, but you deliberately chose not to, and you've proven discussion with you is not worth anyone's time because of it.

zionism is obviously a political position, and the mods have feigned impartiality about it while moderating anti Zionist sentiment away. you are splitting hairs and it's unbecoming. your shitty attitude is also damaging your case here.

you know, you don't have to defend the admins. they're not going to suck you off.

sure, but why didn't the admins just advertise their real politics instead of pretending they aren't prozionist

you’ve proven discussion with you is not worth anyone’s time

your shitty attitude is also damaging your case here.

Tone policing too – as though I need my argument to be compelling to somebody who intentionally layers their argument under conservative-style misdirection, and pretending as though failing to mince words to your liking hurts the credibility of my argument.

Edit: Policing my tone out one side of your mouth while remarking "[the admins aren't] going to suck you off" out the other is so pathetically expected.

conservative-style misdirection

pigeonholing also doesn't help your case

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giving it back isn't hypocrisy. it's playing by the rules.

That is why we must conduct ourselves with the appropriate restraint to beat these allegations.

On this point and this point alone I reply: No. Do not let the enemy define the terms of the battle. In the US, the Democrats need to not placate the fascists. Again, I am solely discussing the words I quoted, not the larger topic of zionists or the lemmy thing.

pigeonholing

Oh, are we back to projection again?

calling you out for being a dick while you are defending Zionist censorship isn't tone policing. you're not righteous. you're just being a dick.

a little tu quo isn't beneath either of us.

I thought discussion wasnt with your time.

I thought you were done

Well actually, I spoke too soon; I didn't realize you never stopped projecting when you were policing my tone out one side of your mouth while remarking "[the admins aren't] going to suck you off" out the other. You're just comically, pathetically dishonest in everything you've said in this thread.

I thought you didn't think this was worth discussing.

I didn’t realize you never stopped projecting when you were policing my tone out one side of your mouth while remarking “[the admins aren’t] going to suck you off”

what have I ever said in supplication to the admins? this is, actually, pure projection

I'm against the death penalty and I'm against targeting civilians during a war. Those aren't the enemy's terms of battle, those are My beliefs and values.

This seems a flawed understanding of the theory though, if the thinking is that in the entirety of the whole world, no instance will ever defederate with any other instance.

On the contrary, this is normal, expected, and healthy behavior. When one instance refuses to consider the needs of the wider community, then those offended by such have the right to cut it off - e.g. hexbear users troll everyone, their admins protect them, so the instance as a whole gets defederated as a result.

Defed and isolate db0 they try to isolate hc for false reasons so let em have it.

PieFed.zip and Lemmy.zip are large and great recommend instances famous for how few other instances are blocked, and Lemmy.today I believe blocks none at all.

Edit: your current instance has a medium-length blocklist. You can read about individual decisions in the https://sh.itjust.works/c/main community, e.g. Can we consider degenerating from maga.place and hilariouschaos.com? and Is there a way to block hexbear. Note that the decision to defederate from behaw.org is due to the latter defederating from sh.itjust.works, so to avoid confusion among users as to why posts can only be read one-way.

Your current instance and lemmy.zip are both fairly censorship light. Personally, I'm pro-censorship, but I hope you find an instance you like.

sh.itholefor.nazis was actually defederated first by hexbear due to the lack of moderation of homophobic slurs and large concentration of nazis/reactionaries On sh.itsfulla.chuds, and the plan going forward

Yes, I would say this is looking looking like an interpersonal fued more than level headed moderating decisions.

Welp, this is the nature of federation. Some folks will buckle up, others will eject. I'm glad that the network will survive either way.

I’ve been noticing the multiverse leaning more alt-accounts over time.

No the Lemmy.world admins continue to vigorously project their insecurities.

Hilarious Chaos is an alt right instance, everyone should personally block them.

Go look at the sort of horrible shit they push in their conservative community.

extra-judicial

Why should the state have the monopoly on killing? They clearly do a horrible job with it and use it to kill innocent school girls to defend genocide.

What’s legal is not what’s ethical. Legal systems have no basis for justice.

Sarcasm?

They did this days ago and only announced it because they caught shit in the Matrix channel for being sneaky.

I accused the “FHF team members of being zionists while simultaneously calling for zionists to be murdered”. but if that were true, then why has MrKaplan not also defederated from lemmy.ml, despite many of their users being just as vocal as I am ?

Oof, this is the part that keeps coming back to haunt every instance across the Threadiverse. The question they raised is: why defederate hexbear.net and Lemmygrad.ml while giving a free pass to lemmy.ml?

There are reasons, though nuance and subtlety seem mostly absent from that YPTB post. When I was growing up, I was taught that my rights ended where someone else's began, i.e. I can do anything I please, but so too can everyone else. Thus e.g. AN can do whatever it wants, yet as a result if other instances choose to defederate from it as a result, then that is their choice. Why one instance should be free to call for murder while another instance should NOT be free to block that kind of talk looks to me to be pure incel behavior: "my idea of a 'compromise' is when the other side does as I say". aka trolling, or leftist MAGA.

The Threadiverse continues to fracture along the lines of "free speech" instances, which constantly call for the rights of other instances to be curtailed, and instances that enjoy moderating only themselves internally, for the sake of their users happiness since some of us actually are not terminally online and always, Always, ALWAYS looking for a fight.