Ah yes, the spice runner that Poe had a fling with back in his runner days that Rey has a stick up her ass about.

AKA, the girl introduced so FinnPoe shippers would be erased from existence.

As a fan of the Dark Empire comics, I had already accepted that Palpatine returning was a possibility. The lack of any real storyline hinting at that in the two movies leading up- I expected disappointment. And I got what I expected, though visually Exegol/life support Sheev was cool. The idea that he had an entire fleet of Death Star Destroyers fully staffed and just chilling was implausible. That they were dependent on one transmitter was ludicrous. That the attack run on them was a cavalry charge of space horses was one of the stupidest fucking thing I’ve seen on film.

As bad as it is, that line and “they fly now” are Lucas level shit dialogue and the only two memorable lines from the trilogy. Compare that to the atrocious dialogue of the prequels that have become such beloved memes you don’t even have to add the words.

Ok but for real Andor is only a Star Wars show because of setting. The story, dialogue, etc are all a cut above anything else. Most of the things you think of with Star Wars (light sabers, the Force, etc) are really not part of the story. I hope you’ll give it a chance because I’m not a huge fan of Star Wars (OT is good but that’s about it for me) but Andor is fantastic.

I enjoyed the Alias and Fringe series, especially the overall concept. They both staggered hard for the last season or so. I didn't realize Regarding Henry was a film of his, which I thought was excellent. I didn't mind Felicity, but I think Alias was a better spin on the core concept.

Yes, as a director, im not overly impressed, but like I said, I liked his ideas, and the initial setup, but the wrap-up sucked. The last has a much bigger impact on movies, and wrapping up established world will only highlight his weaknesses.

As commercial as Star Wars ever was, there was a message of "scrappy scruffy rebels triumphing over the Evil Empire" that was at the heart of its popularity.

IMHO, of course.

They used that to sell endless toys and crass merchandise, and made tons of money.

But along the way, Lucas, and doubly so for Disney, put their heads up their asses and believed it was all the exotic designs, and spaceships, and special effects, and fights, and and and and that was what made Star Wars Special, instead of a simple inspiring message that good can triumph over oppressive evil.

Modern Hollywood doesn't know how to make a good movie anymore.

It's not Hollywood just "doesn't know", it can't, period.

When modern Hollywood movies are financed, by banks, there is a risk assessment: The stars, director, script summary, etc are put into an algorithm to minimize the risk that the movie will bomb and that bank loan will be repaid.

The result is that only the movies that are approved for production loans are those that roughly match all the hit movies that came before it.

The result is a system that can only make the same fucking movies, with the same fucking old man stars, directed by the same octegenarian directors, because they're designed to please the financial algorithms as much as..., you know, audiences.

It's like a roundabout way to get AI slop: Hey this movie approved by the algorithm made money, so let's make copies of that, instead of new ideas, or something that's in tune with the times for which there is no precedent.

Incidentally, this type of algorithm is also used by popular music producers to find hit songs, which is why all modern pop music sounds the same.

Tl;dr we were better off when the Mafia was in charge of financing movies because at least a real human with good taste could decide which movies got financing, instead of an algorithm.

Shoot, what was that comic where Yoda demonstrated his concerns about Anakin using salt and pepper? He dumped them both out, stuck his finger in the middle, and blew all the rest off the table. He lifted his finger, showing only a few grains of each left, and said "balanced, it is"

I loved young Jedi knights!

Kathleen Kennedy shit all over that franchise. What a waste.

in 2015 it was revealed Lucas's sequel outline had been discarded.[78][79] The sequel trilogy also meant the end of the Star Wars Expanded Universe stories, which were discarded from canon to give "maximum creative freedom to the filmmakers and also preserve an element of surprise and discovery for the audience."

My parents are Boomers and in their 70s. You would need each generation to have kids in their 30s and 40s to be a boomer with a gen alpha grandkid. My sister is Gen X in her 50s and has two grandkids already.

Don't forget Gen Z is between Millenials and Alpha.

Also this shows that the most common age of parents having their first child to be 20-24 up until very recently so that fecund land is your land too.

Flying through space while unconscious, something that’s never been shown possible by even trained conscious jedi, is fine, but not mentioning someone has training is a leap too far?

Unconcious? She's up and walking around in that scene when she gets back on the ship.

Maybe this isn't the full scene, but it shows her getting blasted into space unconscious, eyes bolt open and she flies through space, then she's on the ship unconscious. So like, I guess maybe technically she was conscious during the flying, but that's still pretty weak.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6WzSdfKS1w4

Whatever it is that is missing does this: me, I fall aslee mid movie. My kids don't give one flying Fuch about the plot or anything. There's no action and a ton of not much.

They forgot it's a space opera. Nobody watches star wars for the character development or plot.

This. Mandalorian sets the new canon (BoBF is non-canon though).

Disney pitch room:

"Okay, hear me out. What if: ... a bigger Death Star!"

"Excellent! What will we call it?"

"Hmm... how about Star Killer!"

"GENIUS."

You would need each generation to have kids in their 30s and 40s to be a boomer with a gen alpha grandkid.

This is pretty much exactly the case in my social circle. The boomers had millenial kids and the millenial kids either don't yet have kids or their kids are under 10 (making them gen alpha).

heh, I'll be honest, I thought she landed earlier and walked to the door. Less "up and walking around" and more "slumped against a door".

It's been a while since the movie came out, and I haven't re-watched it, so that's on me.

I really loved The Last Jedi and how Rian tried to take it in a new direction. But the sequel series was honestly all over the place.

The Force Awakens was good but essentially a copy & paste of A New Hope. While Rise of Skywalker just did a 360 to change what The Last Jedi built upon and threw in Palpatine out of nowhere.

The original trilogy is the only one where all of them were good.

I had to look up the scene to remember what happened.

It's amazing how it would have been a very powerful scene had they just let her character die, now it's a point of contention in the fan base.

I understand Rian wanting to give Leia her moment, but I feel like that understated her existing role. Leia was already the commander and that had been demonstrated in the originals and the sequels. She didnt need to be a force user to be valuable, but if she was it should have been through a subtle subterfuge or in a commanding manner, not an involuntary life saving throw.

That palps line represents so much more than the dialog quality to me though. It's all about the context, TRoS built up nothing around this and suddenly jumps sideways into a plot that neccessated invalidating a significant moment of the original trilogy. It's jarring as a viewer and there's no explaination for why it's happening. THEN the film has the audacity to imply through dialog, actually the audience should not worry about the details - this is what we're doing. Almost feels insulting in some ways.

I agree. It’s just a snippet of Lucas level dialogue in a trilogy that otherwise isn’t Lucas grade throughout. SW fans may have shat on the Prequels when they came out but have more or less forgiven and embraced them for what they were because the hardcore fans know George is a great visionary, terrible execution. The actors did the best they could and there’s a charm to what the director wanted to convey but the clunkiness of the words. The shift from Hayden and Ahmed hate to fan love shows that realization. SW now operates in two realities. The realistic grimdark of Andor, or the classic good vs evil camp of Lucas. The sequels delivered neither.

Not that it's a competition, but I was told it's an "at at" (rhymes with hat hat), and thier justification was that they heard JJ say it that way.

Nobody, and I mean nobody with any say in the sequels understood the universe even at an elementary level. Everyone just showed up to flip the franchise up by the ankles and give a few shakes to try and dislodge its lunch money.

Rogue One is the only one of these new movies that I really enjoy and re-watch. I really didn't expect Disney to allow that ending for the rebels sent Scarif but I'm glad they did. I also kinda love how they blend it into Episode IV.

People absolutely hated the prequels when they came out. They were a joke with badly written dialogue and cartoon characters, at least for the adults of that era. But when the children of that era grew up, these children looked at the prequels with fondness and the bad dialogue became modern viral memes.

So maybe the same will happen with the sequels. The only issue is that social media have ruined the brains of children. I feel all conventional media will soon become irrelevant.

No one has the attention needed to watch a movie anymore, not even in the background while surfing the internet. People just have youtube or twitch or tiktok in the background.

Just finished episode 8 of the second season of Andor and it is really something special.

Taking a break for a day or two to process what happened. The thinly veiled analogy strikes hard.

The Prequel memes work because everyone has seen those movies, not because the Prequel movies themselves were good.

TLJ has 2 major issues IMO.

1. Rian severely overdid subversion of expectation. It just doesn't really work if you do it like 8 times in the same movie, viewers will just stop expecting anything.

2. Those giraffe-horses should have been podracers.

Agree on the other points though. RoS was just complete garbage from start to finish.

In regards to 1, eh... I actually kinda wish he'd fully committed to the subversion and had Kylo turn to the Light Side as a kind of "poetic" bookend to Anakin (making the third film one about his redemption; this would also allow us either to learn more about Snoke OR turn Hux into the villain, which I would prefer over what Abrams did to him).

As for 2, when Rose goes "are those...?" I was on the edge of my seat, tapping my friend's shoulder thinking we were about to see podracers (which is funny because I still really hated The Phantom Menace at that time) and was definitely disappointed when it turned out to be giant cats.

The Last Jedi is my favorite Star Wars film. I also happen to think it's the best of the entire series. But I dare not speak of this much on the interwebz because Star Wars fans are, as we all know, tame and not given to strong opinions.

Rise of Skywalker stands as maybe the worst movie I've ever seen. It's the rare big-budget blockbuster where you can actually watch the thing fall apart right in front of your eyes. I swear they filmed the first draft of that script. It also feels like Abrams tried to cram his ideas for Episode VIII in there too. Just an awful, awful film that makes Attack of the Clones look like a Kurosawa film in comparison. And that's really saying something because Attack of the Clones is a bloated mess of a film that is only saved because the casting director is a genius (and, though "fans" hate it, few things match the absolute delight of seeing a little kid's reaction to Yoda rave-dance fighting after growing accustomed to him as a feeble old muppet--this effect is highlighted if you watch the films in either release or Machete order)

What pisses me off about that movie is that they spend a fair bit of time building out that Rey has super powerful force healing. So, like, what if she healed Palpatine? What if the ending to this saga of endless galactic war was not more death, but an act of healing? Maybe Palpatine still dies, but he's at least made aware of what he's done or something.

Nope. Rey use two lightsaber. Rey block real good. Palpatine go dust dust.

Listen. There are only a handful of hills I am willing to die on. And one of those hills is that the "rhymes with 'hat hat'" pronunciation is objectively wrong. Like even Lucas could say it and it's wrong. "AyTee-AyTee" is the pronunciation. This is because there are other vehicles in that series, most notably the AT-ST. So what do you call that? The "Aht-EssTee?"

takes swig from flask

I was a big fan of 2009's Star Trek. Saw it a bunch in theaters. I've rewatched it a time or two recently (wife digs it) and, aside from the cast, I really don't like it. It doesn't feel like Star Trek (and I'm someone who will find things to defend about Discovery and loved Starfleet Academy while DS9 remains my all-time favorite series). But boyhowdy is Chris Pine great as Kirk. Zachary Quinto is also phenomenal as Spock. I could actually go either way with the castings of Uhura, Scotty, and Sulu. But Karl Urban as McCoy must be defended at all costs.

Abrams, when it comes to Star Trek and Star Wars feels like he's making what popular culture thinks of those franchises and not what the franchises themselves are all about, if that makes sense. It's almost a parody.

"There is another..."

Seriously. The Last Jedi is also my favorite Star Wars movie. It's an elegant piece of film making.

The last two of the new trilogy are borderline unwatchable. Just abysmal, b-movie level storytelling.

I gave Disney the benefit of the doubt when they shelved the EU and JJ talked about doing something completely new. I was impressed by the lengths they went to to get the look right (even hunting down the original lenses). I went to quite some lengths avoiding spoilers.

It didn't take long in cinema to realise I was watching a soft reboot trying to dismantle the original trilogy. I felt betrayed and disgusted. Since then I haven't touched anything Star Wars and completely started to boycott everything Disney.

I have absolutely no desire to see any of the three again, sadly

Well, Andor seems to be worth the watch. But I'm not subbing to Disney for that and generally share your sentiment.
One of these days I'll find Andor in Discs...

I have never seen any Star Wars movie.

I just realised that TFA might have done more than just killing my interest in Star Wars. I think that was the last time I actually went and watched a movie in cinema.

Edit: Holy macaroni! It really has been more than 10 years since I went to the cinema...

Andor is the best piece of Art to come out of Star Wars. It transcends the IP as a piece that I would recommend to anyone, while only enriching the original material/world for those that have seen at least some of the original (6) movies.

I hope you find it and watch it any way you can 🦜🏴‍☠️

You will be incredibly disappointed if you do. It's like Boomers ramming The Beatles down your throat. It's religious fantasy.

Jedi Party, by Auralnauts, is my preferred way of watching the Prequels.

Star Wars doesn't need lightsabers or the Force any more than Marvel needs Iron Man or Captain America. They're both good, and they're a couple of the most iconic parts of the franchise, but both Star Wars and Marvel are big universes, and they can both tell stories totally separate from those popular touchstones.

That explains the down votes.

I think people have forgotten how to write good movies since it's been such a long period of remakes and franchise garbage.

Plus corporate greed and algorithms have resulted in cookie cutter scripts that "should please the largest amount of people" or some shit like that.

Everything is made to me inoffensive to anyone and appeal to the widest variety of people.

There's no movies that tailor to a specific audience anymore, where 20-30% of people will think it's amazing, instead 40-60% of people might think "meh, might as well watch it"

They should have had Jon Favreau write and direct all three of them.

As soon as it was evident the new movie was just the old movie, but with an even bigger no moon that could blow up 7 planets at once with red lasers instead of green, I was over it. Seeing the fucking laser arches in a space chase in the other movie just killed any desire to watch more.

Same here. After Rogue One, I got really excited about the new movies. Thought TFA was a fluke, but the next one was far worse. Stopped going to the cinema after that. Then I had kids, and now I'm going again, to see Spongebob and Super Mario. How the mighty have fallen...