The first one of the new set was ok. Slightly darker overtones.

Backing up a bit - the second trilogy had an all-star cast, yet a wooden log had more writing skill, acting ability, and charisma than the people on the screen. It was like people in a classroom being told to take turns reading out loud from the assigned book. The lack of acting and directorial skill was made up for by the abuse and overuse of CGI. Awful. I have never watched the second set since release. Lump the Boba Fett series in with this set, it was so wooden and poorly written they had to bring in the Mandalorian to rescue it.

Han Solo? Throwaway movie. Really didn’t do the character justice. Turned him into an Errol Flynn “Robin Hood”. I think everyone’s forgotten about it even existing.

The new set? Love the practical effects. Way less CGI. Awesome. But now the acting was ridiculous and over the top as were the characters. I know she gets some hate, but I think Ridley did a decent job of it with what she was given. The rest? Meh. Just written crazy with shameless bad writing, merch placement, and trite lines.

We’ll have to see about the new Mando movie.

Best Star Wars? ANH, ESB, R1, Andor. Some of the Mandalorian series. Probably some of the animated ones, but I haven’t watched them.

Eh, turned into more of a critique than I wanted, but I guess I’ll leave it.

Every time I consider watching them I remember how they butchered logic and character development. Or plotlines that could be removed with no impact whatsoever.

The only thing I can say is that the dialogs are at least not as shallow as in the prequel trilogy.

I trid to re-watch those a few weeks ago and.... No. I couldn't stand the moments they opened their mouths to speak their lines, sorry to say.

I think people have forgotten how to write good movies

No, they still write good movies. The problem is that the money-men will not fund good movies because all they want is a big return on their investment. That means that they only fund sequels and spinoffs of previously successful properties. Only on rare occasions does anything new get funded and even then the decision is based on something other than the quality of the story.

There are lots of good stories out there that will never get turned into movies or shows simple because the people who make the decisions are trying to make money rather than art.

What do you think of the original trilogy?

They have their flaws like many movies that are space operas. Suspension of disbelief and all that is required. That said there are some just generally good gems that you might like. Rogue One was a good heist movie, The Empire Strikes Back was good because people still told George to stuff it with some of his ideas.

With Disney just ramming so much Star Wars down our throats and much of it mediocre at best, I look at the older works more critically. I think there's some fun to be had still but I wouldn't consider them required watching anymore.

One thing I'll say, it feels like the reason for killing off Han wasn't for the shock value, but because Harrison hates the role so much and wanted to kill off a fan favorite out of spite.

Kinda covered that, but ANH (which wasn’t ANH on release…) gets full marks for being first even if it is kinda silly at times. ESB is great. Darker, more serious, the cast and writers hit their stride. ROTJ is pretty much of the same vein as TLJ or TROS. A rehash or retread of already done themes with fluffy happy critters perfect for toy sales. Not great, but not awful. I liked it as a way to say goodbye to characters I never thought I’d see again. Man, was I wrong.

Andor is by a large distance the most fully-realized and profound Star Wars anything and they manage to do it in all directions: the action is good and in the spirit of the original Star Wars trilology, the characters are believable and not cardboard deep (unlike the original triology), the context of the story is one of fully realized believable societies

The story is mainly consistent and believable, with various threads that criss-cross in a natural and coherent way and are eventually brought all the way to a conclusion and no further - the latter a rarity for TV Series, which tend to end not at a natural conclusion of a story but instead past the end of the story and after "just one more" (sometimes two) seasons are forced in, which are shit. In Andor, maybe only a few things in the last few episodes of the last season felt like they've been forcefully wrapped up to reach a conclusion but mainly the whole thing just naturally reached an ending.

Shit, even the architecture and wardrobe design are consistent and memorable in those things which weren't "inherited" from previous Movies and Series in the Star Wars universe - Ghorman especially is visually a fully believable and realized environment nicelly entwinned and consistent with traditional Star Wars universe elements.

Andor is, however, not the pure roller coaster of action that the original triology is.

I would recommend the Original Triology and Rogue Squadron as exciting roller coasters of action in a fully realized futuristic sci-fi environment and Andor as a good long-form story, with depth, well written, fully realized, well acted and with great production values that happens to take place in the Star Wars universe (so it also ticks the pleasant memories of those who grew up with the Triology) and does have plenty of Action, whilst being a lot more than just that.

Ok, sorry, I'm not much of a star wars fan and I didn't recognize the abbrevations.

Nobody hates Star Wars more than Star Wars fans.

As an idea, it's fantastic with limitless potential. As a finished product, it's two and a half good movies, and two good series.

Narcos cast members unironically did more for Star Wars than the Skywalker family ever did.

Fuck Disney.

No worries.

Andor shits on the rest of Star Wars, also Solo was good.

The rest? Mediocre at best.

Attention span isn't a relevant concept in the abstract, you are grumbling at the sky meaninglessly.

You're really not missing that much. Especially with no nostalgia goggles

Eh disagree with the Beatles comparison. Their work stands the test of time, and their influence on music is, in many ways, actually tangible

Mandelorean S1 was great

This is the right and complete answer.

Feel bad for JJ? This is how all his projects end. The man can NOT do an ending to save his life. It's why Lost and ep 9 will follow him to the grave

As is season 2.

Boba was Mando season 2.5 and while the Mando moments are good, it comes too soon and the Boba story is messy.

Mando season 3 also has good moments, but it needed at least two seasons to tell the story, but instead it's rushed it so they can make a film.

People complain about having to wait 2 years for 8 episodes of TV, Mando season 3 to the film is waiting three years for about 2-3 episodes.

Auralnauts is canon as far as I'm concerned.

BEHOLD! THE SINGULARITY ENGINNNNNNNE! CAN YOU SEE ME NOW, FATHERRRRR?!?

Auralnauts are geniuses of satire and of god damned audio mixing, it's genuinely sublime what they made of it all. I really love their Larry! series.

And I think Transformers 2 is one of the greatest films of all time, up there with The Godfather and Citizen Kane.

because people love his movies.

yeah, he's trying to make money. you do that by appealing to the LCD, violence and sex and easy to digest plots full of tropes.

thoughtful sci fi is niche, it doesn't make any money.

You can just say you didn't like Rogue One you don't need to be sarcastic about it.

TLJ had me leave the theatre saying "that was terrible" haven't touched it afterwards.

Creepio, have you seen... anybody?

It's the strangest thing, they're all dead. You killed them!

Master sir, what are Midichlorians?

It's Heroin.

Best Star Wars?

The Clone Wars. Hands down.

With the sheer amount of content available at kids’ fingertips these days I wouldn’t be surprised to see the sequel trilogy completely lost to gen A

Yeah, because they suck.

If you ever decide to try again, I would recommend Rogue One and Andor. They're the best movie and best show to come out of the nonsense.

The main problem with TLJ is it completely destroyed any potential plot moving forward. That's why RoS is the way it is; they had to rebuild the story before starting the conclusion.

Being bland is worse than being bad.

I can watch comically bad sci fi. But... I can't remember a thing about the last two movies of the trilogy. And I remember a whole lot of "meh" sci fi.

The prequels were made with kids as the target audience. I'm not sure who the target audience was for the sequels, but it wasn't kids.

TLJ wasn't really a middle story, though. It was a downer ending. After that there was nowhere to go without a generational time skip and a completely new story that would be inappropriate for a trilogy. There was no big antagonist anymore, there was barely any protagonist left, and every dangling plot thread was ruthlessly cut short.

Contrast it with ESB and you see with that you while have a bittersweet end to the movie, you do not have an ending of the story. Lucas even left room to bring back Han who he just sort of killed.

Potential for a completely unrelated future story, not the end of the one they were trying to tell. TLJ is why RoS is as bad as it is. It sacrificed the future for a subversion level high score.

Somehow they're still making these movies.

2.5 Movies

Are you cherry picking, or summing the total of all 9?

Ahsoka was fun.

Bad Batch

The Bad Batch episodes were great. The Bad Batch show was weak IMO.

I can watch comically bad sci fi

Ordinarily I agree but dear god stay away from Rebel Moon, worst shit ever and not in a remotely fun way

I actually prefer Rebels.

The prequels were just as hated as the sequels are right now, but then gen z grew up and the nostalgia for those movies suddenly made them okay in the public awareness.

I remember that one of them, I think the second one, is called The Scargiver. I couldn't tell you who had a scar or who gave it. Those movies wish they were trash.

When the prequels came out, I didn't love them, but I absolutely had to wear it the fact that we got more Star Wars. At the time we really didn't expect to get any more out of the franchise. IMO Jar Jar notwithstanding, they were acceptable, but not up to the greatness of the originals. While far from perfect, they did tell a story, They added decent choreography and some reasonably pretty visuals.

The new trilogy tried to go all Kubrick on us.They try to tell a story through visual cues and really, it's not doing a great job at it. The characters have Backstories, but they're held from you until you're getting three-quarters of the way through the movie trying to figure out what the hell is going on while they get around to tying in the original characters. Star Wars requires that exposition.And honestly, another Death Star, another critical flaw, its bigger, its scarier, its all really low effort bullshit.

It was great seeing Luke and Han again, I really wanted to like Rey, They just utterly failed to develop her character, and then the crak with Snoke. You just end up coming out of the movie, feeling like you didn't understand half of what the new story is, and being utterly bored with the other half and all the horrible things happening to the protagonist that you don't really care that much about.

I preferred S1 where it’s just a dad on the run with his adopted son, before they started trying to add all these tie-ins to more “mainline” Star Wars lore.

I remember sitting in the theater for Force Awakens. I remember the last preview finished, and I had a sense of excitement, because I didn't know what would happen. It wasn't based on a book or comic, it could be anything.

Then I watched A New Hope, but worse.

I understand it's scifi, but the stupid planet laser is one of the dumbest things Ive ever seen. Was the beam faster than light? Did it go through hyperspace? How'd they focus the laser at stellar distances? Is it a super weapon because it can destroy a couple planets or because it can shoot a mega laser beam through hyperspace or snuff out a star? Idiots.