That, and the bombers in space in The Last Jedi.

No they weren't. There were cool bits people loved. Instant classic scenes people liked immediately. I watched Episode 7 but I remember nothing, then never watched any of the later ones. I did like Rogue One

Episode 1:
Pod racing is cool.
Darth Maul's double light saber and a cool duel with cool music.

Episode 2:

Chase scene, factory scene, pretty cool.
Full scale war with the clones.
Yoda fighting! Theater blew up on this one!

Episode 3:

Battle scene in the opening
Betrayal scenes: "unlimited power!", Order 66, marching clones, killing the youngling
Fighting on lava, and Anakin seething with rage!

Kylo and Rey should have switched sides during the throne room scene.

They could've developed the different jedi codexes, but they just let them burn!

It's fantasy, no star war film ever stood up to scientific scrutiny

I have no problem with the bombers.

From a functional design it works. There's artificial gravity inside the bomb bay and once they fall out of the floor they will continue in space on their inertia.

From a style point of view it works. Space battles in Star Wars was always a love letter to world war 2 dog fights. They are planes in space, not space ships. Always have been.

So I agree, but it's impossible to keep Baby Yoda in a bottle. Any other Jedi or potential Jedi species and you can play that out however you want. But Baby Yoda? You can't ignore that.

I understand conceptually the idea of not tying it to mainline lore... But Baby Yoda? You can't ignore that.

I still can’t make it through rewatching the prequels, which premiered my first year of college.

I think nostalgia will probably polish the sequel turds just like it has done with the prequels.

I just want the in fucked with OG prints in 4K, and I’ll rewatch Andor and Rogue One, and even fucking Skeleton Crew one more time.

What about the lasers with bullet drop in the same movie?

About half of A New Hope, The Empire Strikes Back, and Rogue One.

I said what I said.

The writing was just… so atrocious in the last trilogy. Like, no coherent themes or through lines, characters were bland and poorly executed, dialog was clunky and stilted, pacing was none existent and the story was disjointed with completely un-engaging stakes.

Like, some say “oh well that’s true of all the previous star wars films” and no, it wasn’t. Some of that was true of some elements of the first and second trilogy. But none were all of that at once.

I just have… no faith they’ll do anything interesting. Once is a fluke, twice is bad luck, three times is a pattern. Disney’s modern methodology for producing films is clearly flawed at some fundamental level. The chance that the corporate machinery has realized there is a problem, correctly identified it, and then actually fixed it is close to zero.

"Somehow, Palpatine returned"

No shit no one wants to watch this. Marvel Disney just milks IPs for a super long time and anyone thinking otherwise are blind and gullible.

Edit: whoopsie :l

As did the prequel trilogy.

And if we're being honest, so did Return of the Jedi.

No Star Wars media can live up to the one that lives in our heads.

I did like Rogue One

Surprisingly, a good movie. I'd say, same quality as Mandalorian to me. Just plain good media. Not super epic, or extremely engaging. Just a good movie. But somehow is not popular enough and I remember hardcore fans not liking it either. No idea what exactly is so bad about it compared to The Last Jedi.

I'm not familiar with that.

Important to recognise they don't shoot lasers in Star Wars. Their energy bolts have mass.

The first half of The Last Jedi is feeling off. I liked the second half though. When the ship is crashing into that monster ship it was such a cool moment in the cinema. Everyone was quiet and then that sound. So cool. I loved how Luke showed up. The betrayal on Snoke and the fight between Kylo and Rey was great too.

But in general I expected something fresh. They could have said that Luke fucked off to learn about Jedi and that not everything is black and white, but no, it has to stay black and white. Jedi good, Sith bad, no in-between. Would've made a better story. And then in part three they could've solved the issue with coming together for once.

Sorry, who is the reluctant hero and who is the scoundrel? I think the latter is Kylo, but who wants to bang Leia in TLJ??

Largely everything Disney makes now is trash. Everything is written by an executive and it's always bad.

Same reason I dont read the Mr Men books anymore.

Actually no, the Mr Men books arent completely shit.

Attenborough on the new trilogy

Plus Kylo-Ren is not scary or intimidating

He just seems like a force wielding spaz

So there is no threat, or sense of danger....zzzz

Do you know who Poirot or Ms. Marple are? Ever heard of Agatha Christie? If so you might want to check out the two newest Mr. Men / Little Miss books.

Onward is a good movie though

No cause those were cool

There's so much canon and a million threads they could have picked up and pulled.

Solid Freudian slip.

I mean, aint Marvel under Disney wing for a while? Same feathers, same bird.

The love letter to dogfights thing doesn't excuse complete stupidity. I'm not expecting Babylon 5 level of good space battles, but at the very least they could have treated it as a "escort the torpedo boats" fight and not a "bombing ground targets but in spaaaaaace". Some one should have taken one look at the script/plan for that scene and said, "No, that's stupid."

I liked rogue one.

Plus Kylo-Ren is not scary or intimidating

Adam Driver is terrible. He should stick to bad italian accents.

Ok Boomer, and if you drag your kids to enough Star Wars movies, eventually they will succumb and watch every crap movie in the franchise.

There was a lot of influential music in that era not the Beatles.

Rogue one and Amdor are indeed stories for people who grew up

The Force Awakens was cool, I would always defend that movie.

But 8 and 9 were incredibly bad movies and bad star wars media.

Erm actually it's super heated plasma bolts which still have mass and are affected by gravity. At long range a noticable drop is still possible.

Having Kylo Ren and the First Order be a bunch of larping dweebs was almost fun back when the ‘alt-right’ was just a bunch of larping dweebs. I wish they’d kept the spirit of that interpretation.

Any original projects seem to be left mostly alone, so the creators can actually do their jobs..

All their sequels and IP though… they reek of focus groups and decisions made by Excel spreadsheets ….!

(Now I just remembered how Wish became a husk of its original plan.. so disregard all that 🤣)

Like that isn't happening to The Phantom Menace?

Which is by far the worst Star Wars movie of them all.

No, the final film is by far the worst.

Well, don't worry because now everything will be written by AI!

I'm not sure pivoting to a romance movie for the finale would have been any better received.

I can agree with that

I feel like it was more direction?

He def conveyed petulant, angry force wielding spaz....and clearly no one told him not to

They could have taken a list of Star Wars media (books, video games, etc), sorted by highest rated of all time, and compiled a list of ideas that would have printed a legendary amount of money.

How they approached it was so foolish.

Literally put that on yesterday just as a background noise while cooking. Forgot about cooking for the most part to enjoy the movie.

I understand what you mean. I think it would have been nice to have something unique like not all sith are pure evil or not all Jedi are good.

I know some of the other shows portray this concept to varying degrees.

My favorite-least-favorite part is that in the first one, they give the fascist (who is a Hellsing-tier Nazi [love Hellsing tho], he's not a fascist with an actual ideology, he's just eviiiiil because he's so eviiiiil) a shillelagh. Why? Who the fuck knows. And then in the end of the movie (no spoiler warnings, I am sparing you) he gets stabbed with it. He gets stabbed with a relatively blunt stick and that's how he dies.

It's just so bad. I'm in a similar boat as you, I'll watch scifi even if it's garbage. I watched all of Dark Matter, which is a scifi series that feels like Star Trek fanfiction written by an edgy 13-year-old goth kid (I am qualified to say that as a former edgy 13 y/o goth kid). It was miles more enjoyable than Rebel Moon. Even Morbius got me to laugh often, Rebel Moon just made me want to self immolate.

Sure you can. Grogu is a rare and powerful species, but nothing about the story necessitates meeting CGI Luke Skywalker.

His acting in Marriage Story was pretty good, I agree that the directors/writers are mostly to blame for Kylo-Ren

Honest question then - would the relatively small rebel (resistance?) ships have enough mass to generate a gravitational field that would have affected those energy bolts? Because they're in the vacuum of space IIRC.