That doesn’t even make sense.

In Biden/Harris's case of supporting the zionists while pretending to be against what they are doing-- with nonsense like his idiotic and pointless floating dock, and his very temporary freeze on one type of munition-- "lies vs theater" seems to me to be a distinction without a difference.

And do you remember all the times we heard that Biden and Harris were negotiating feverishly with netenyahu and talking about their concerns, for the Israelis to then say Biden never called them and there has been no communication at all? So how do you see that distinction between lies and theater matters at all?

Only because you can't imagine supporting anything but genocide.

You must understand that acting like this makes people disregard leftist’s opinions.

I'm just sick of people trying to blame me for the actions of the people I voted against when they themselves were too lazy to turn out and do the absolute minimum to combat fascism

No.

I'm pointing out that in the absolutely most trumpy state in the union, trump still didn't get a majority of the possible to votes. Republicans can still lose in the state the dominate the most, same goes for Democrats. If you stand around with your thumb up your ass, your head in the sand hold your vote, then you're really just voting for the worst possible outcome.

"...the suffering of Iranians ends and Iran's people can exercise their right to freedom, dignity and self determination"

Fuck, I'm pretty sure Trump said almost that exact thing when he attacked Iran. Doesn't really seem like he is against attacking Iran...

When it was Biden, I had a hope, the moment kamala was declared the face, I knew that Trump is winning. I've never seen such strong mysogeny in any developed countries. There is a reason a woman has never held highest office in US while do called "backward" contries like Pakistan, India, Bangladesh have already had women holding highest office.

@Bytemeister It's almost like Trump is and has always been a F'ing dishonest scumbag, so what's your point?

No one's making you ignore the concerns of everyone but netanyahu. You do that on your own with no prompting.

Yes, so vote for the lesser evil.

The primaries is where you try to get your candidate to the general election. Vote for your chosen choice here, and then vote against the fucking Nazi party during the general election. It's really not hard.

People who sat out this last election are worse than trump supporters. They knew how bad trump was, and decided not to take a stand against him.

It happened one fucking time, don't be a fucking stupid ignorant fuck and pretend it has happened more than one single fucking time. Fuck off.

My point is that a half-assed one time public comment calling for the status quo to be restored is supporting of my understanding of Kamala's campaign in 2024, and not supportive of a position that she was the only politician who was standing up to Israel.

So why did he endorse Trump if the democrats were doing everything he wanted already?

voting for Democrats is enabling fascism. If you think voting is so important why not vote 3rd party or write a candidate in and encourage others to do the same? why not vote for people who represent your class interests or at least people who do not enable and support genocide

pied piper

If it weren't part of a larger pattern of diluting the voice of primary voters in favor of genocide wing candidates, you might have a point.

You're disappointed that you didn't get his endorsement.

You don’t have an answer so you’re turning to personal insults?

Then why did you respond to my comment? Trump supporters are liars, trolls, and hypocrites, we totally agree on that. My comment didn't say anything contrary to that.

They're right, you're willing to sacrifice countless Palestinians to keep yourself safe and comfortable, you don't actually give a shit about anyone but yourself. You deserve Trump and worse.

You're losing and you know it, but you're too stupid to understand why

if you think

I don’t. Get out there in the primaries, make sure it’s not him.

But for fuck sake if that fails, don’t abstain. Vote the letter, like the winners do

exactly this. Trump is the weakest, least capable adversary the resistance could ever dream to have. Were you expecting the empire to fall without violence?

People who sat out this last election are worse than trump supporters.

Lmao y'all just say shit.

Don’t treat primaries…

God you people are full of excuses. They’re right; this is American resistance.

It works for the opposition well enough, and has for decades.

No, it's objectively true that if you knew how bad trump was, and sat at home and didn't vote against him, then you're a fucking problem just like maga is.

I'm German. At some point, the Nazi party changed the law to be able to do what they want. They were voted into a position where they were able to do that.

Republican candidates

Do what they want because they know their people turn up. They’re doers, not piss and wind blowers, whether it’s good or not.

do what the genocidal centrists…

Yep, who are as bad as who is there, what’s going on now and would have done the same. Right.

Not only are you easy to play by bad foreign actors you’re full of excuses after being played.

Burning the US down would be doing the world a favor

She's ridiculous. Never won a primary. Because she almost certainly could not have, if she had been subjected to one in the most recent election.

All the Dems had to do was produce/nominate a viable, moderate candidate. They are too inept to do that. They still have not fired their leadership. One wonders what level of failure would be required for them to finally do that.

I love…

Good for you

king of the liberals

Lmao I’m not even close.

zero understanding of politics

Yeah righto. Keep losing while they keep voting. Well it might be too late for that now.

parroting terms you don’t understand

I understand the US voters failed the world and its own people by failing to vote or keep out bad candidates. For the rest I couldn’t care less what Americans think of me given what they’ve been responsible for recently.

Are you trying to use that as a dunk because when you actually live under oppression from fascists you REALLY need your opposition party to be effective. Harris winning in 2024 was never going to solve a problem that she was part of, it was only going to delay the inevitable and I can promise you that all of the anti-trans legislation and the pro-genocide action still would have actually happened. Or are you as unwilling to listen to a person that belongs to a scapegoated community as your ancestors were?

I think most republicans aren’t as locked into their beliefs as we have been made to believe, tbh. If they can change their opinions to match that of their leader, they have a fairly pliable belief system. I feel they are more likely to realign themselves for a leader that they see as a populist is the thing. So even a populist on the other side of the aisle would sway many of the Right’s current followers, since they’d be making promises for getting things done and giving them a proverbial backpat about it.

I think the wind is already blowing for a changed Democratic Party, it’s a wind that’s been blowing since Bernie really, but the old guard Baby Boomers have been in power for quite a while now. Demographics have been slowly changing so that the Baby Boomers don’t make up as much of the majority of voters anymore, so more progressive stances can take root.

Changing Dems is about focusing electing politicians that mirror the values you have more than anything. Promoting a different voting system that enables these more progressive voices would go a long ways towards getting them in office as well.

Functionally, it’s not possible to ‘start over’ so it’s smart to work within the space that we do have and make real change where it is possible to do so. Convincing people to change their stances is hard work, and the way power is split in a country as big as the US complicates things even further. Educating newer generations about why changes matters is important, and educating them about logical things they can do to build a better system, which does put human rights for all as top priority, should be a top focus.

There is no justification for supporting genocide

Get the F off of x.

The advice was given with plenty of time to follow it, they chose not to

boy do I have

Well good for you champion and good for your link. Under Harris there’d have been a shitload more vetting for a start. There is no way she’d have carried out the strikes Trump has nor allowed the Israelis to do the same.

Harris comments do not interpret into a full scale attack. In fact there’s nothing there that says her intention isn’t to use negotiation or soft power to achieve that. What actually was going on before…well, you non voting or Trump voting clowns I guess. The rest is history.

I’m well aware she’s an out of touch hack as you put it, but this war was started because Netanyahu has full control over the fool Americans elected again. That was why Netanyahu conspired with Hamas to start that attack in the first place…to fool Americans into not voting for Biden and by extension Harris. To fool them into not voting, plus start the holy war he’s wanted to start for decades.

You were all played, and easily too. All it took was some great espionage thanks to Epstein and knowledge that a massive portion of American voters are lazy, stupid, awful people and easily played. That you continue go in with your view that she would have been as bad is childish. Well it’s a fart sniffing exercise as we know, but anyway. Yeah, sure, she’ll support Israel but this wouldn’t have been happening and anyone rational knows that.

You’ll be played again as well.

Yes. Because I also live in reality, where the lesser of two evils is often the only option.

Do you like genocide or not? Answer the question

You're losing and you know it, but you're too stupid to understand why

You’re demonstrating a utilitarian sense of ethics.

And even more specifically, act utilitarian ethics. This incredibly narrow focus on the immediate effects of actions on the individual level which they treat as the only possible way of looking at things with absolutely zero examination.

I'd describe myself as a rule utilitarian, and from that perspective, the rule of "Don't support genocide, period" has a much stronger track record historically than, "Don't support genocide, unless you have a really good reason."

There is not one single time in all of human history that a stubborn refusal to support genocide has produced undesirable results. There are countless cases of people committing genocide because they see it as a "lesser evil" or "the only viable option." "If we don't kill them, they'll kill us, so we have no choice, this is the lesser evil." But not only are liberals utterly ignorant about moral philosophy, they're also ignorant about history, or they refuse to learn from it.

Modern American liberals are the ideological inheritors of the people who took the more "progressive" approach to indigenous people of subjugating and forcibly assimilating them, killing any who resisted, as opposed to the people who simply wanted to exterminate them all (who now live on through republicans). It's no wonder that they struggle to understand any perspective more progressive than "humane" genocide.

You stand for absolutely nothing, you deserve Trump and worse

You stand for absolutely nothing, you deserve Trump and worse

Perpetual loser

They do, hell most americans want the same

You call it kayfabe and call me a ghoul and then you're choosing to help Republicans hurt billions

That makes you a monster

Edit: you saw what project 2025 would do and decided to help people like Musk, Miller, Bannon and Trump, so that they could escalate the suffering, because YOU WANTED IT, because you prefer seeing people die if it means USA loses status, you'll rather see people martyred then fed by aid from a source you find offensive

Then the rest of the world should get off their asses and chip in

Ok so then why are you refusing to look at what people actually did?

Edit: Trump has been pushing for ethnic cleansing so he could have waterfront casinos and you guys love him

You're all a bunch of traitors

You stand for absolutely nothing, you deserve Trump and worse