cross-posted from: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/55430533

I mean, it's not really bestiality if it isn't sexual. A gynocological exam also isn't fingering.

A gynaecologist "treats" the patient, benefitting the patient.

Forcibly impregnating someone is also called rape.

Unless they are jacking off themselves at the same time, it's not sexual.

Artificial insemination is a treatment.

No.

If the recipient asked for it and the donor is giving it out of free will with the explicit intention then yes it is a medical treatment.

With humans yes, but in the case of non-human animals these decisions are up to the owner.

edit: clarification for the ultra-dense.

You are aware humans are animals? The differentiation "human" is artificial and made up...

non-human animals ... I didn't think it needed spelling out.

"Farmers are weird therefore vegans aren't"

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Ah yes so when I give my dog antibiotics for an infection against his will it's definitely not medical treatment

Aka the nudist defense.

Serious question, wouldn't cows and chickens basically become extinct if we didn't use them for food? Cows can't reproduce on their own and chickens would be easily killed by wild animals.

Trying to be "facts forward" so make of this what you will. Source: I was in FFA in highschool in a beef intense-ish area.

The method of collecting semen I'm most familiar with is when they take a female cow in heat and tie her up, then bring a male bull they want to collect semen from into the same pen. The male will smell the female is in heat, gets erect, and will attempt to mount her.

As the male is trying to mount the female, people in the pen with the cattle will have a large rubbery "sleeve" on a pole (imagine a cow sized condom on a stick) that they will maneuver around the bull's penis as it mounts the cow. He does his thing in the condom thinking he's inside the female (usually less than 30 seconds) dismounts and then the ranchers have their semen for artificial insemination.

I've been out of that area for over a decade now so a new method may have emerged since then, but in my Animal Sciences class, that's how we were taught semen is harvested for most livestock.

Edit: I distinctly recall the "artificial vagina" being on a stick (and laughing about it in class), but best video I can find on the quick:
https://youtu.be/-4ma3WeOxbo

Are you planning on eating said dog?

Fruit is perfectly wholesome and natural though. Except they aren't....

Corn is basically a bulge of semen because of how humans have bred it.

Bananas are incapable of reproducing. All bananans you find in the supermarket are clones. If men were to die out, so would the common (cavendish) banana.

Cows are bred for milk production. If it wasn't for men, their milk production would be very different. It's just as natural as a banana.

Is artificial insemination of livestock sexual assault?

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Technically fruits are plants babies you know? And we eat them. Stop cruelty to plants!

Forcibly impregnating someone is also called rape.

someone

Key word.

Yes, it is.

It is sexual abuse on Living Beings, let alone sexual.

It is rape!

Remember there have been at least one-doctor that did this to women, not in his offices to become pregnant (warning, SP?). A famous case was a doctor that raped/impregnanted (SP?) a lot of women looking to become mothers, with his own sperm. The obvious results/proof came after birth,

If I were to artificially inseminate a woman with sperm from a spermbank without her consent, would that be sexual assault?

This doesn't feel like an actual serious question.
Try looking up wild cows and jungle fowl.
Yes the domestic cow and chicken would probably go extinct if no one was continuing to domesticate them. That's kinda how evolution works

Most of the animals are bred sick just to maximize production. The answer to your question is self regulation - the amount of animals we are producing is absolutely unnatural. It is not like millions of chickens would populate the world if we wouldn't exist. They are artificially fabricated in factories.

Why should a cow bred for maximizing milk production should exist and what should they do, jump around in the fields? A normal cow from some decades ago could get older than 20, while they are nowadays bred to produce as much milk as possible and die within 5-6 years.

Unless that women is a literal cow, yes.

Cow and Chicken will be just fine, mom and dad takes care of them.

If the recipient asked for it and the donor is giving it out of free will

...and it's medically indicated

There are more chickens on Earth than humans. I understand your question is hypotetical, but it is more likely we humans are going extinct before chickens.

If it applies to one animal it should apply to all, but go ahead and be a special snowflake instead

Are you saying that we can do to cows whatever we want to do to fruits? We don't even treat cows well and you bend yourself backwards to say we should equate a cow to a fruit. Even when we know cows have sentience, preferences, and so on.

By that logic, if intelligent extraterrestrials arrived and forcibly raped me, I would not have a defense with all the bad points made in this thread.

right mate, I am sure you can draw any equivalences with bestiality and such yourself, so I won't explicate on them. I just want to say, you don't have to defend the man-made horrors within our comprehension of animal product industries if you don't want to be a vegan. I am not a vegan, because I can't afford to. You can just say "that shit's fucked up".

Not a vegan but if you think what happens to cows is a medical "treatment" then you are a dumbass

There is a lot of horrible things in animal agriculture, this one isn't really one of them. I've seen the process with my own eyes ... the cows don't care, they barley notice. I feel more for the people who have to do that professionally.

Eh, I feel like the female cow is still getting a raw deal. Less raw than the classic "breed this bull with this cow" arrangement, but still somewhat not good.

it's a veterinary procedure

no. different things are different.

Personally I view it the same as giving medicine to a baby. They don't understand, sometimes you have to make decisions in their best interests.

Key point: in their best interests, not for personal gain.

All life is sacred you murderer!

Are they inseminating a cows with non-steers' sperm from a sperm bank without their consent? I do not think so, as a regular practice, but sometimes greater abuse, I would never be surprised.

Others Beings have rights!!!!!
If you believe in god(s), then you are in real trouble after death, let alone those that do this.

Others Beings have rights

Only if we say so. We invented the entire "rights" thing in the first place and we're kind of in charge of handing them out.

If you believe in god(s)

Nope, just plain old non-existence after death for me.

Even 'Law & Order' series has the understanding broadcasted that raped women can feel sexual pleasure during the rape, does not mean they want the act or consented at any time.

Making an animal pregnant isn't solving a medical issue. How do you not see the difference?

WTF are you even talking about? I've haven't said or implied anything of the like.