Whoever has a business full of hourly employees that are working during 1-3am and lose an hour of pay.

In Seattle, during the summer solstice, sunrise is @ 4:30am with full daylight by 4:50.

Starting things an hour earlier is cutting into sleep time.

https://sopuli.xyz/post/42263119

ughh, I lost an hour of pay working as a security guard to this kind of thinking a while back.

"Oh, we'll just make up for it in 6 months."

some people (not me) complain about the sun going down at 4pm.

Choose whichever, but just fucking choose one.

You don't have to report back to me that you read more on the subject.

But if you are going to do that, please go back and more thoroughly read what I actually said in previous comments. It seems like you might have missed part of my point.

Standard is better than advanced, which is better than switching.

Making everyone wake up an hour earlier is abusive

Nah. Sunrise at 6.

Us law doesn't allow for that. Washington and oreagon could go year round standard time anytime they feel like it.

It was for your benefit, not mine. I read it yesterday.

Me, I do - but I also don't think we should switch back and forth; just keep DST. Who the fuck cares if it's dark at 5:30am, we are meant to be asleep at that time

My friends dad died of a heart attack like 2 days we sprang forward for daylight savings time. Apparently there is a statistical correlation with increased heart attacks during this time likely due to the lost hour of sleep. I'm sure he would have eventually died of a heart attack because of his lifestyle, but I'm quite convinced it was a part of what caused it to happen on that day.

If there were two days a year that 300 million people took a flight that gave them all jetlag simultaneously, you'd probably tell them to stop though, right?

Split the time zones in half and offset them by an hour.

Let’s have a lot more time zones then.

Split the time zones in half and offset them by 45-60 minutes.

We're in daylight savings time now, let's just stay there. That way no one's schedule has to change again.

Split the time zones in half and offset them by 45-60 minutes.

OK hear me out.

Old timey western shootouts. You shoot each other at high noon not waning noon.

DST is best T.

I have no idea what you mean.

Who is telling who to stop what?

Some traditions are simply stupid and should be discarded.

This is one example.

No, let's do away with all time zones, everyone's on GMT. Noon stops meaning 12:00 and just means when the sun is directly up in your time zone.

If that means for you noon is 2AM, you start work at 11PM and are off at 7AM, usually going to bed at 1PM when it's well and dark out so be it. You don't have to change your clock when you travel, places just say "Local noon is 8PM".

The Illuminati rock band?

I'm trying to relate the daylight savings time change back to your example of jetlag.

I'm suggesting that, in a scenario where everyone in the US is compelled to take a plane ride that gives them all one hour's worth of jetlag (instead of changing the clocks by one hour), you'd probably take issue with that. It's an attempt to add some extra perspective and get you to think about your claim that it's stupid to argue from a health perspective, and how shallow that line is thinking is.

It doesn't matter if it's stupid or not, it's reasonable to want the practice to stop.

People in the Nordic countries have it way worse. There's no excuse.

It's not like it's the same time for waking up, going to bed, or shops opening for everyone across the world.

If you still need a heads-up about when things are happening when you travel, we may as well just make time UTC globally.
Sune goes down at 4pm? Just wake up and go to work early.

The Romans had that technology too, the day was split into 12 hours of sunlight and 12 hours of night, no matter the time of year

No, let's do away with all currency, everyone's on gold. $1 stops meaning 100 cents and just means whatever the hell it does in the area you’re in.

Ask the railroads how not having time zones turned out.

So go in earlier

"I know better than the AMA because I want to spend an hour of sunlight driving home with this sun in my eyes and then sitting on my couch getting left on read"

Guilt by association is how children think

The AMA is concerned with disruptions to circadian rhythms due to time changes. If we stick to daylight savings time there won't be any more time changes.

Try harder.

My penis doesn't answer to you

I've never seen your face but I'm guessing it's extremely punchable

Seems like the only experience you have with children is physically and sexually abusing them.

Yeah whatever dude, more like fellatio basis

I don't even sexually abuse your mom, even though she blows up my phone begging me to. You can stop following me around now, take your crashout and handle it with stoic silence befitting a le epic atheist sci[ent]ist