I don't think you understand how little these vegan Canadian anarchists living on indigenous soil don't care. Certainly they haven't constructed their entire personality around championing causes that they can use to stir up drama at the drop of a hat. They are just trying to live their lives in peace and uncaring bliss. To even suggest otherwise makes you sound like a milk drinker, and they hate milk drinkers.

Hopefully a better candidate wins, despite the party's inevitable fuckery in the primaries. Because if another genocidal corpodem "wins" the nomination, they will lose in the general.

That's not me threatening to take my ball and go home. That's not purity testing. That's not whatever thought terminating cliche you centrists use whenever you don't want to listen to someone to your left trying to interrupt you when you're making a mistake.

That's an honest assessment of the electorate you have to get votes from if you want to win.

You would rather lose, blame the left, and move to the right. Genocide wasn't far enough to the right for you or any other centrist.

You would have voted for Cuomo.

Tons of people still forgo or delay healthcare because they know or fear it will cost too much.

He knows obamacare is inadequate. But centrists have been coasting for 15 years on a heritage foundation policy that wasn't far enough to the right for them so they stripped out the public option and have made zero attempts to add it back in.

I’m not sure what you are saying with this. Mamdani ran as a Democrat. Cuomo switched and ran independant when Mamdani beat him in the primary. So, a Democrat won, instead of a third party.

And the "no matter who" wing of the party showed that they're massive hypocrites and tried to sink Mamdani after he won the nomination.

I'm gonna need some citations on this one.

I'm sure you don't consider Gillibrand's disgusting Islamophobic rant about him to be an example. "No matter who" is only for the left. As soon as the spoiled centrist wing doesn't get 100% of everything they want, which in this case was the sex pest they wanted running New York City into the ground for them, they revert back to "party unity my ass."

Yeah, Gillibrand was genuinely awful and that was real Islamophobia. That's a legitimate criticism. But Mamdani still won as a Democrat, and that is exactly what I was arguing for. The answer to Gillibrand isn't third parties, it's primarying cunts like Gillibrand. Do you think someone on the right is going to treat Muslim Americans better? Because that's the actual alternative when you don't vote blue.

The people that were against him are establishment asshats who want to keep the status quo. They didn't want a progressive challenge in the NYC mayoral race. They wanted Cuomo because Cuomo is easy. They aren't representative of the "Blue No Matter Who" voter strategy. People like Schumer, Jeffries, and Jacobs aren't progressive democrats, they are "just let us keep doing what we are doing" democrats.

That being said, I'd take Schumer over Thune any day, and that's a 1:1. You can't say that voting another Thune into power is a better alternative to Schumer no matter how much you dislike him. The "Blue No Matter Who" theory still lines up with reality, especially when you can see the alternative already in power.

You got the source you asked for. Those goalposts can stay put.

Stop trying to convince me to vote blue. I already do. I voted for harris in the last election.

Democrats will lose if they force another genocidal corpodem on us. This is an honest assessment of the electorate you have. You will interpret it as purity testing.

Have a good night.

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If a genocidal corpodem is anointed in what democrats have the temerity to continue calling "primaries," they will lose.

What "losing policy" did she pick?

You americans are going to have a rough time now that you have burnt all your soft power and goodwill. Sure you have other problems too, but I don't think any political party can just "turn the 'cost of living' knob up".

Oh yes, why reduce harm when we can not vote and get the option that will just endlessly stab with the wheel of staby knives.

People not voting are possibly more stupid than MAGA. At least MAGA morons have SOME sort of care, even if its motivated entirely by hate.

Wow, "stop blaming voters".

America, do you even understand how a democracy is supposed to work? Hint: it's not fire & forget every N years.

Good luck you all, you need it.

So you voted trump to stop all the forever wars, release the Epstein files, etc?

Democracy isn't just about voting once in a while, and boy democracy is less about "getting what you want" than removing wannabe dictators.

But then again your whole system is broken, so good luck, because you need to fix it, and that happens by hard work from the bottom up.

I have no idea where you got the idea that I'd ever vote for Trump. I'm an anarchist, and a union rep, and an activist doing organizing in my local community, but I also always vote for the best candidate I can to mitigate harm. All I am doing here is trying to help liberals understand why Harris lost the election, because I want the Democrats to win. I want to try and avoid another fascist dictatorship, which is inevitable if the Democrats continue to be fascism lite.

Liberals have a real problem reckoning with the fact that Kamala Harris lost because she was an unelectable piece of genocidal trash who deserves to be put on trial for crimes against humanity alongside Biden for their unlimited support to the genocidal regime of Israel, who advanced precisely zero popular policies, and ran entirely on a platform of "We're like the Republican Party, but slightly less worse".

Liberals feel like their candidate was good, but only lost because voters are lazy, apathetic, stupid, etc. If the candidate was good, voters would overcome these obstacles and vote. I'm just explaining fundamental reality to people who do not want to come to terms with the fact that their political project, neoliberalism, is dead and gone.

I've voted in every election I was ever eligible to vote in. I am simply explaining why the Democrats lost. You can hate the people who didn't vote if you want, I understand that frustration, but there is a very good reason they didn't vote - because they didn't perceive the Democratic candidate to be someone worth voting for.

Advance a candidate with popular policies who isn't a genocidal piece of shit and watch in amazement as political engagement ramps up.

They keep proving the joke of "we tried nothing and we're all out of ideas".

The thing is, in their hearts, they know what the problem is. They need to give ground to the left. They're just throwing a tantrum and refusing to accept it because in the past they've been able to win with a coalition of centrists, moderates and liberals. Those days are now gone, and this coalition, which has been looking down and sneering at the left for decades, really doesn't want to have to capitulate to our demands. But if they don't, they'll just cause republican fascists to come to power. For many right wing democrats, fascism is preferable to socialism.

There is a very good reason the DNC hasn't released the election post-mortem report, because it probably confirms something close to what I just described - though, probably watered down slightly. The leaks we do have confirm that the Democrats lost votes because of their pro-Genocidal stance.

Genocide, obviously. Unlimited, unreserved pro-zionist support for Israel. Neoliberalism. Take your pick, really.

Genocide.

Wow, “stop blaming voters”.

Ok. Keep blaming voters. Scream at them until the end of time. It won't change the electorate you have in front of you. You can appeal to the voters or lose. I know, it's beneath you to treat the hostages like they're people instead of vending machines that dispense votes when you kick them hard enough.

maga has candidates that they're excited to vote for.

democrats do not.

Second worst is not good enough to win. Appealing to the voters is not beneath you.

They aren’t representative of the “Blue No Matter Who” voter strategy.

They are representative of the sort of person who says "vote blue no matter who."

That being said, I’d take Schumer over Thune any day,

And Thune over anyone to Schumer's left.

They quit teaching civics in school in the US 30 years ago. So, no, the kids you're arguing with do not understand how a democracy is supposed to work. Yet another Republican success story.

This is the most sane comment I've seen from you since I joined Lemmy.

If you have to be excited to do the right thing I have a bit of bad news about adulthood in general.

Take a look in the mirror. That's what a fascist enabler looks like.

If you're an American then it is up to you to find a good candidate. It's not going to work if you wait for someone to spoon feed you the "right"(enough) candidate.

I voted for harris.

Second worst still wasn't good enough to win. Appealing to the voters is still not beneath you.

For all their "yOu DoNt KnOw HoW gOvErNmEnT wOrKs" gaslighting, the genocide wing is determined to never learn how voters work.

I have explained this, again, and again, and again: I am just explaining why and how the democrats lost. I have voted in every election I have ever been eligible to vote in, ALWAYS for the candidate which minimizes harm.

Please stop being so reactionary and try to understand what I am writing. Jumping to conclusions and getting angry at me for explaining why OTHER PEOPLE didn't vote doesn't make me a fascist enabler.

I regularly encourage people to get engaged in the democratic process, especially primaries, as well as participating in workplace organizing and activist efforts. Please enjoy one of my many homemade copypastas:

Organize, protest and elect. Emphasis on organize and protest.

1. Get as involved as you can with activist efforts locally.
2. Organize, network, focus on building solidarity. Join or form a union. Join the IWW.
3. Vote at primaries and elections for the best candidate, even if you doubt they can win.
4. Don't punch down.
5. Don't punch left.
6. Educate yourself, politically.
7. Push for voting reform and for anything that breaks the two-party system.

I voted for Harris not the fascists.

Gald we have great morals and not voted for lesser genocide and allowed unbridled genocide to occur.

If you want better candidates you need to find them long before election day. On election day it is too late to find your perfect candidate. And yeah, its no secret democrats are right wing... not really sure what you expected.

Thats a losing policy? Thats been the general policy for 5 decades.

Leftists, including me, yelled as loudly and repeatedly as possible that Biden/Harris would lose the election, long before the election was held. We were ignored, and now, we're being blamed for the loss that is 100% the fault of the centrist/right wing of the Democratic party.

What do you think I'm doing now, literally YEARS out from the election? I am trying to help people understand WHY the Democrats lost, so that we can avoid a candidate who will lose in the same way.

I'm trying to push the Democrats back towards the left wing because that is the best hope we have of curbing the rise of fascism.

Yes, it's a losing policy now, as evidenced by Kamala Harris losing in 2024. Demographic change is real.

Doubt it. It most likely simple old fashion racism and misogyny. 2020 biden was the same 2024 biden. And kamala was carrying the same policies. Or do you really think 4 years was enough for people to forget about the mango which was obviously carrying far worse policies?

Biden only won in 2020 because he was the anti-Trump candidate and Trump fucked up the handling of COVID, it wasn't because Biden was particularly popular or because anyone liked his policies.

In fact, I can't think of a single good policy he pushed for or enacted, and I can think of a bunch of things he did wrong.

But, yeah, you can believe whatever you like. We'll see how the next election goes, but I'm sure neoliberals will continue to come up with some sort of explanation to continue believing in neoliberalism even as it becomes more and more apparently a failed, dead ideology.

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During the primaries we can and should try to make our voice heard to get the most perfect candidates possible on the ballot. During election we do what we must to prevent sliding further into authoritarianism.

Oh, not quite.

We chose unlimited, unreserved pro-zionist support for Israel over limited, reserved pro-zionist support for Israel.

I'm aware that most of us wanted neither of those.

I'm pretty happy about the trains. Also fixing infrastructure. The green energy credits and green manufacturing were also pretty great. I liked USAID as it was. I'm also a pretty big fan of the first, fourth, fifth, and fourteenth amendments. I also really appreciated our ability to vote.

You do realize he ran in ...New York City, right? The Big D machine has little say when New Yorkers get their gander up.

This is not necessarily repeatable anywhere else in the US, not a major city anyway.

I love it, the left are both a large voting block for the Democrats but negligible enough to not be considered serious for legislation. Like with all fascists, you can't reason with a neo-lib.