Don't you love the neo-liberal bullshit of critical analysis of a candidate by a leftist means you didn't vote for them? Geeze, with them pushing away leftists, I wonder how the party will do now.

Yes. The Democrats fucking suck.

You know who fucking sucks 1000x more.

The fucking Nazis running the GOP.

Its like the Turkey election. Everyone was all "yay they got rid of the dictstor asshole. Except by all accounts, the new guy is not a whole lot better or different. But he is BETTER. And everyone has been praising the shit out of that.

Excet you can't really magically appeal to all progressives/leftists/liberals/center people.

Some single issue Trans rights.

Some single issue Palestine.

Some single issue dumping ICE

Etc etc.

The only thing that MAGA has to single issue is hate. With a dash of "abortion bad".

And people have been fighting for the ownership of their stupid holy land since man has existed. Who gives a fuck about either side in Israel/Palestine. Let them wipe each other out while the rest of the world slowly moves on ffom acting like LOTR version zero is any sort of reality.

Funny how not setting your hand on a burning stove won't result in third degree burns isn't a good enough reason to not set your hand on a burning stove. You ever heard the phrase "don't let better be the enemy of perfect"?

No shit Harris sucked, but she sucked a whole lot less than Trump and moving incrementally left from Harris would have been a HELL OF A LOT easier than moving left from Trump. I do absolutely blame the idiots who sat around and said "well, Harris doesn't inspire me, so I'll sit here and let the fascist collapse happen. That'll show everyone how morally superior I am!"

The people who didn't vote, I think, are worse than Trumo supporters because at least Trump supporters made moves to do what they thought was best while you sat around and twiddled your thumbs and let the world burn around you instead of doing the bare fucking minimum available to you to stop it, or at least slow it down to make it easier to change it in the near future

Good luck from Europe!

Your reading comprehension is lacking if that's your take from that comment

I think it’s fine to expect your party to be capable of doing things that aren’t accomplished by turning a single imaginary knob. Imagine applying this to any other situation: “sorry, there’s no ‘do the dishes’ switch so I’m gonna have to tell you to lower your expectations.”

What an absolutely revolting way to talk about real people, especially when we're talking about a hundred thousand innocent people being killed intentionally as part of a genocidal endeavor.

This isn't a fair fight we're talking about, it's a series of massacres that have been going on since 1948, conducted by a nuclear state which is backed by the world's foremost superpower, supplied with the latest weapons to ethnically cleanse and eradicate an entire indigenous population who are forced to live in an open-air prison by a settler-colonial state, and their justification is that they want the land that those people are living on because it was promised to them by God according to the Bible.

Entire cities have been completely flattened, ambulances and humanitarian supplies destroyed, children targeted by snipers, civilians intentionally targeted by missile strikes, then when help arrives, another missile strike.

You have never seen a movie or the horrors of anything the likes of this since the Holocaust. And if you live in the US, your tax money goes towards enabling all of it, your government is providing them with all of the guns, bombs and tanks they need.

I don't think you know what neoliberal means and when did I tell dingdong they didn't vote?

I would appreciate it if you didn't put words in my mouth so you can give yourself a reason to be mad.

almost won? She lost every single swing state. It was a slaughter and not even close.

I wasn't saying you said DingDong didn't vote. What I'm saying is that neo-liberals believe if you are critical of the Dems and them they think you didn't vote at all.

Jeffries, I hate it break it to you but if you think you're going to pass anything while The Orange Menace is in the White House, I'd love to sell you my share of the Brooklyn Bridge.

You might as well keep trying to impeach Trump. In fact, we'd think you have balls if after each defeat in the Senate, you drum up another impeachment vote.

And I'd like to remind you that Republicans passed the repeal of Obamacare repeatedly in the last two years of Obama's presidency.

Harris was fascist lite. Both candidates were fascists. Dont lie, you did vote for fascists, and you got what you voted for.

they did? shit someone tell our local districts.

That's just not true and comments like this are doing the right-wing propaganda machine's job for it by normalizing what's currently happening.

Don't be like that.

the way to do that is not by yelling online, but by getting out there and actually doing politics. getting involved. if you think only democrats are electable, get involved with democrats and get folk at the local level excited for your causes (i'll give you a hint mine are healthcare and homelessness). maybe even become a candidate for some office yourself. we always need folk on school boards and city councils who can advance sensible agendas and stop far right folk from taking over.

The people who didn’t vote, I think, are worse than Trump supporters...

Yeah, being mad at trump supporters voting for trump is like being mad at your dog for eating its own shit. It's a dumb animal that eats shit and garbage, what were you expecting? I'm more mad that they have, not just equal, but over representation in this political system. We need a system where ideally, the stupid dogs have no representation, or at a minimum, equal representation to actual thinking human beings.

No excuses for the 3rd party/non-voters in 2024. Life is full of shitty compromises made worse by inaction. I'm amazed they've made it this far in life without noticing that, but it's time to adult the fuck up.

Primaries for Congress are going on right now, and each one of those whiny lazy chucklefucks that got us into the mess ought to be out there stumping for their ideal candidate every waking hour of every day until November.

Seven million less people voted Harris than Biden so there's a chance those 'neo-liberals' are right.

What does neoliberal mean to you anyways?

yeah what gives? did we slip into a mandala universe again? (we spell it mandala here)

Prices basically never go down, what you need is stability so that the earned income can rise to match the new prices.

On the flip side, there isn't a whole lot the president can do to reduce inflation, but there sure as fuck is a lot they can do to make it worse.

the fact that i can't think of much from biden's presidency is a good thing. no, really. brain rest need please.

I'm doing all sorts of things outside of the Internet, but I think it's a perfectly useful tool to help others come to the same realizations I have so that they can help advocate for a better world alongside me, no?

It's not like I'm just posting this here so I can yell at people or something. I am doing advocacy online, in my spare time, alongside all of the other stuff I do.

There were several things that was a positive from biden administration. I mean... its pretty easy to find them. Just look for trump's EO's that reversed them all...

We can bitch and moan about bad president candidates, but the fact is simply we have two choices. If you want more you need to vote for representatives to pass legislation to allow more parties to have a chance. Until then you have to deal with the options your have. Or sit on your ass and cry while the facists strip the remaining rights you got.

I can remember plenty of successes from Obama's admin. For Biden, can remember only failures.

I am advocating for a shift towards socialism within the Democratic party, away from the right and centrists. That's what my all of my comments on this thread are advocating for.

"Man our country is really going to shit, better keep doing the same thing and hope it'll be different this time."

Yes, in the immediate near term vote blue "no matter who but if you think toothless dems are going to save us you're only going to be did disappointed.

I'd argue obama was a bigger failure. He held the congress majority and still didnt accomplish his promises.

Neo-liberal ideology is one that succinctly calls itself socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

It's pro-capitalist believing in laissez-faire economic policies, minimal government guidance, regulation, or oversight. Economic policies that do not restrict the accumulation of wealth, expansion of business, reach of business, its regulation. Believers often talk about the hand of the free market guiding it.

Social policies, it ranges from moderately conservative to moderate in general. As long as they do not hamper the free market economy. Equality but not necessary egalitarianism. So examples include increase in police funding, promotion of private institutions along with public ones.

They believe people should be free to move among the social levels through merit. Also austerity is a big part of it. Big players in recent times have been Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagan. Both parties were neo-liberal until the time of Newt Gingrich then the Republicans started to turn toward reactionary politics more and more.

Neo-liberal does not mean leftist/ism/, socialist/ism, communist/ism, and anarchist/ism. Such ideologies are at odds because they believe in best of a regulated capitalist socio-economic policy to outright its rejection.

This is spot on. It's why they shit on Bernie despite him being way more popular than Hillary. If dems would've let Bernie run I think we avoid a trump presidency altogether.

The biggest class in America is the working class.

I don't like to be contrarian

If I can't tell the difference then I'm not engaging. Good luck.

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It certainly seems like you have a winning message by being condescending

Your vote is irrelevant when you did all the work to ensure fascists get get elected.

It is true. She would not make the decision to part ways with Israel and advocate against an ongoing genocide.

You just wanted a more polite fascist. You wanted genocide, just a more well spoken version that meets your class sensibilities.

Well sorry if it comes off like that but I sometimes feel I'm trying to instruct in a kindergarten. Do americans not study history of democracy, or of war? It's like they do all the rookie mistakes.

Good luck to them all.

Republicans cosplay as neoliberals while mostly being conservative.

Democrats are mostly liberal not neoliberal.

Ok, when is the right time to advocate for positive change as ordained by The Holiness Blarth?

I promise you everyone on the left understands US civics. Liberals can't help but condescend and derail into metaphor because the arguments for their policy fucking suck.

Lot of dummies down here in the comments

Right, so what does liberal mean to you then?

"Genocide Joe" was bullshit? Are you denying the genocide or what his first name is?

It's like clockwork. Say something a centrist doesn't want to hear, and they assume you want a lecture.

I'm very tired of having to repeat to you centrist-splainers that I voted for harris.

Yes, republicans are worse. But being second worse by as narrow a margin as you think you can get away with is not enough to win. You have seen that happen before your eyes. You have seen the consequences. And you still think you can berate and scold and lecture your way out of this, to people who knew you were going to lose all along, voted for the genocidal shit you wanted anyway, and get blamed for the loss they tried to warn you about.

You need voters to win. And no matter how much the prospect disgusts you, They won't vote for second worst in sufficient numbers for you to win. It's so unfair that you have to give the voters more than capitulation and genocide.

Oh why oh why can't we keep people on board! We only betray one tiny worthless demographic at a time!

Thats a losing policy? Thats been the general policy for 5 decades.

And the world became a better place, so centrists' only policy is no longer popular. Abandon it.

I have no idea where you got the idea that I’d ever vote for Trump.

It's what centrists assume when anyone says something they don't like.

vending machines that dispense votes when you kick them hard enough.

This is just.. Its such a hilariously insane sentiment to express. I'm like, genuinely glad that shitlibs can't help themselves and are willing to just live with their whole ass hanging out. Just, honestly, thank you. Thank you for always saying the quiet parts out loud. You make it so much easier to identify and understand why and how liberalism ends up at fascism.

And what you are doing is important, even if its naively so. We need this kind of thinking documented, if only to study in an effort to make sure no one ever repeats it.

Vote establishment out, they carry considerable blame for our current predicament. "Proud Zionist" Biden literally said last election "nothing will fundamentally change from Trump", that's who they are.

Courting the right, like that Cheney stunt, it's never worked before but I'll bet it'll work this time boy oh boy!

Social liberalism or progressive liberalism is a political philosophy and variety of liberalism that endorses social justice, social services, a mixed economy, and the expansion of civil and political rights, as slightly opposed to classical liberalism which favors limited government and an overall more laissez-faire style of governance. While both are committed to personal freedoms, social liberalism places greater emphasis on the role of government in addressing social inequalities and ensuring public welfare.

Social liberal governments address economic and social issues such as poverty, welfare, infrastructure, healthcare, and education using government intervention, while emphasising individual rights and autonomy.

Social liberalism, because the US usually just calls it liberalism.